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Adam Marshall
In what has become known as 'The Nonthaburi Project', the government has
taken up the challenge of employing 250 teachers (or thereabouts) and
placing them in Thai schools in the Nonthaburi area. A lot of confusion has
arisen over certain aspects of the scheme but we are privileged to have Adam
Marshall join us for an ajarn.com hot seat, and attempt to put the record
straight. |
| Q |
Adam, welcome, thanks
for going on record and giving us the facts about this major development in
Thailand's EFL business. Let's put things in a sort of chronological order
to start with. The Nonthaburi Schools project was originally the brainchild
of the Nonthaburi Provincial Administration Organization (although we are
not quite sure of their exact official title). Why was Nonthaburi singled
out first of all? Is it an area that finds it particularly difficult to
recruit teachers? |
| A |
I would like to start off by saying that the following
statements and points of view are 100% unofficial and provided completely of
my own volition. I feel that something special is happening in Thailand
regarding English language teaching and I would like to share this with
everyone. I was the very first native speaker to join the project and have
therefore taken it upon myself to act as an unofficial spokesperson. Thank
you Phil for giving me this opportunity.
I believe that the authorities in Nonthaburi have
vision. At the inauguration ceremony at the civic hall and in the early
meetings, it was explained that the authorities here in Nonthaburi wanted to
exploit the area's hidden potential and develop the local economy, and they
naturally see English as an integral part of that plan. Speaking from
personal experience, I believe that prior to this project the calibre of the
foreign teaching staff was not as good in Nonthaburi as it was in Bangkok
proper. Nonthaburi is not as attractive a proposition as Central Bangkok for
many teachers and schools have been forced to offer better salaries as a
means of attracting them.
At my school we had two English teachers who were
both in the twilight of their careers and who both lacked some of the
youthful enthusiasm you need to engage the children and win them over. It is
exhausting at times and I don't think they were really willing to see it
through. One was a retired teacher from England and the other chap, also
English, was a recent career changer...they quit shortly after I arrived. In
my opinion, motivating teachers is as key an issue as motivating students:
although very good when compared to the salaries of most Thais, qualified
foreign teachers are unlikely to be overly impressed by the rewards on offer
and it is therefore essential that they enjoy their work and find it
rewarding in a 'job satisfaction' sense.
Some of the children can be so apathetic that at
times you can feel that it's simply not worth it. Before you can learn you
have to be taught how to learn so part of my job is introducing unfamiliar
learning styles but both foreign teachers and native students will naturally
have different expectations. There is apathy and there is passivity but as
we all know if you can inject that little bit of 'sanook' then just maybe
.... Some of them would be more than happy to sit through six grades of
English and have nothing to show for it, but some of the children are
absolutely brilliant and they are the ones that give you the desire to keep
going - if one child is capable then all are capable.
I think that by the time the M1 grade has reached M6
we could be looking at a very different picture. The younger students have a
fresh outlook, whereas the older grades are already jaded and have
capitulated due to a history of negative learning experiences connected with
the subject. It takes a great deal of energy and determination but when you
do get results and you realise that there is genuine progress being made
then it means so much more. Anything that is worth doing in life takes
effort and my job is certainly a challenge. Defeatists need not apply!
A wise man once said: 'Education means guiding and promoting persons to
progress in learning, thinking, and performing according to their own
ability. The ultimate aim should be for each individual to be able to make
the best use of his or her potential, to benefit oneself and others in
harmony and without conflict or harassment.' |
| Q |
The task
of recruiting the teachers was originally given to OLA (Obrum Language
Academy) in conjunction with Chulalongkorn university. How many teachers
were wanted at this stage and how many were actually recruited? |
| A |
Chula initially hired 57 teachers back in July but
there were more successful applicants than jobs and so a waiting list was
then drawn up. |
| Q |
Where were the jobs advertised? |
| A |
I applied through ajarn.com but I also saw an advert on
the university's Faculty of Education website. The agency (OLA) managed to
recruit about 75% of the teachers using their own means. |
| Q |
You told me in your email that you were
the only native speaker out of 57 teachers. What happened? |
| A |
When I turned up to the first of two days of training
and entered the lecture theatre I actually did a double-take! I exited and
checked the room number above the door. I was wondering when all the foreign
teachers would turn up and wondered why only Thais were in attendance. Then
it dawned on me that everyone was Filipino - quite a shock at first - but I
must say it was a pleasant surprise because the Filipinos are very nice
people and it was kind of nice to be something of a novelty. In fact,
although I am English and proud of the fact, I also now consider myself an
honorary Filipino!
Basically, from what I can gather, they experienced
some difficulty recruiting native speakers because of the time of year. The
project was launched at short notice and most eligible teachers were already
in jobs; the location may also have been a factor in dissuading would-be
applicants. On a personal note, I actually very much enjoy living in
Nonthaburi as you get to experience a bit of the 'real' Thailand and the
locals seem genuinely enthralled at having a foreigner in their midst. The
area around my school is pretty and tranquil too, with lots of greenery.
It seems that some people have taken issue with those concerned for
employing Filipinos. Of course, as any teacher worth their salt will know,
there is debate about what actually constitutes a native speaker in the
first place. Although some Filipinos speak English from birth, their 'brand'
of English is categorised as NNV (non native variant). Are Filipino teachers
of English as valuable to schools as Brits, Americans, Aussies or whoever?
That is missing the point somewhat. The definition of a great teacher is not
about having more letters after your name nor the received pronunciation of
an Oxford Don. It is about aptitude, knowledge of the subject and getting
through to the kids; transmitting what you want them to accomplish in a
manner that is both comprehensible and engaging.
Furthermore, most of you will be aware that 'World
Englishes' and 'International English' do indeed have their place and anyone
who disagrees should be obliged to retake their CELTA (why not take a look
at the links I have included below and make up your own minds). It amazes me
the many times I hear teachers saying that Filipino English is not 'proper'
English. Of course, some people do prefer to learn British or American
English since the former is seen as more refined whilst the latter tends to
predominate because of economics, politics and culture, but there is room
for everyone - diversity is the spice of life. It greatly annoys me when
people give Filipinos a bad press because everybody needs to make a living
and each and everyone of the Filipinos whom I have met have been extremely
hard-working. Teachers should be assessed and recruited based on a number of
criteria and not purely on their nationality; that Filipino who you find
yourself deriding might just, quite conceivably, be smarter or better at
teaching than you are.
http://www.askoxford.com/globalenglish/questions/firstlang/?view=uk
http://www.askoxford.com/globalenglish/worldenglish/interrelationship/?view=uk
http://www.askoxford.com/globalenglish/worldenglish/future/?view=uk
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| Q |
If we look at the other 56 (Filipino)
teachers, a few of them had their employment terminated. For what reasons?
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| A |
There was a two-month probationary period written into
the contract. All teachers have been required to provide lesson plans for
each lesson and officials from the agency or university turn up and perform
spot-checks. They assess your teaching, provide feedback and obviously
forward their evaluation to the relevant parties. These assessments occur
about once per month and without warning. A few teachers did not meet the
minimum required standard and were therefore surplus to requirements. |
| Q |
Then enter Ramkhamhaeng University to
take over the project. Was this because OLA and Chula were doing such a poor
job? |
| A |
Ramkhamhaeng did not take over. There are two similar
schemes that are run separately and concurrently. Ramkhamhaeng have hired
more teachers than Chulalongkorn but OLA agreed a deal with both respective
universities. Along with the authorities, OLA also deserves a great deal of
recognition for getting this thing off the ground, as do the universities
for the part they are playing. I believe that Chula wanted to do things
properly and not bite off more than they could chew: if a job is worth
doing, it is worth doing properly and I echo this sentiment.
The preparatory training we received at Chula was
excellent in my opinion and from what I have seen of Ramkhamhaeng's
operation it is also excellent. The signs for the future are promising. I
personally work with an Aussie guy hired by Ramkhamhaeng, our Thai boss
supervises us and we work together on everything. At the end of the day, we
all share the same vision and it is my hope that the two universities will
eventually collaborate but I don't know if this will be possible in
actuality. It is my belief that English language teaching in Thailand would
benefit from a greater cohesion. What we really need is synergy and focus,
with everybody pulling in the same direction. |
| Q |
Ramkhamhaeng University was looking to
recruit a whopping 250 teachers. Who thought that Ramkhamhaeng University
was up to the task or rather how did they get the gig? |
| A |
The honest answer is I don't know. I guess that at some
stage a decision must have been made to expand the scheme over and above the
original 57. We were told from the start that if we were successful then our
numbers would double in the second year of the project. Then I saw the
advert on ajarn.com the same as everybody else did. I suppose that they are
there on merit since anyone who knows the faculty at RIL, as I do, will know
that they are very good at what they do. |
| Q |
Talk numbers with us. Did R.U. manage
to get the full quota and what was the breakdown of applicants (degreed vs
non-degreed, natives vs non-natives, etc, etc) |
| A |
As far as I know, all the teachers have degrees. The
job advertisements stipulated graduates only and both certificates and
transcripts were requested. People are getting much better at spotting fakes
these days so I wouldn't worry. I believe they hired 211 teachers in total:
about a dozen Europeans, 58 Filipinos and the rest were native speakers. I
believe the original job advertisement mentioned a target of 250. |
| Q |
You are obviously aware that this has
become a very hot issue on the ajarn discussion board. There are a few
disgruntled qualified teachers out there working for 30K a month, and
they're now seeing unqualified non-native speakers walk into 40K jobs within
this project. Is that a fair reflection of what's happening? |
| A |
No, I wasn't aware of all the talk. To be perfectly
frank, I am far too busy working to read the boards but I will confess to
reading the odd hot-seat interview (...ok, ok, and I do keep up with the
footy from time to time). Hang on a minute...
...OK...I have had a look at the boards and made some enquiries and from
what I can gather everybody is qualified. Even if that were not the case,
and I have no reason to believe otherwise, my response would be 'that's
life!' Life is all about being in the right place at the right time and
taking your opportunities. In Thailand, demand outstrips supply so I would
suggest to those bitterly weeping into their beer that they devote more time
looking for additional work and waste less time being envious of others. One
can always improve as a teacher. Concentrate on bettering your own skills,
experience and qualifications and perhaps one day your ship will come in
too. Get on with the job at hand.
Incidentally, while we're on the subject, one thing that does genuinely
annoy me about working in this country is the 'one-upmanship' of many ex-pat
teachers. I have got three words for you: jealousy, insecurity, bitterness.
These people are constantly comparing themselves to others. Is this actually
helpful in any way? Some people for instance are convinced that because they
possess a Bachelors of education or a masters degree that they are somehow
superior to everyone else. My role models include people like Morihei
Ueshiba, Jesus Christ and David Brent. I don't recall any of them holding
education degrees and Brent didn't even go to university!!! OK, I am
prepared to concede that Christ may have had an unfair advantage in the job
market as he was purportedly the Son of God, related to King David, and was
therefore pre-ordained to become King of the Jews. Then again a bit of
nepotism never hurt anyone, did it? Stop slating your fellow teachers,
support them and let's have a bit of solidarity. Focus on your own life and
do the best you possibly can and you shouldn't have too much to grumble
about.
A wise man once said: 'Learning is a never-ending process. Those who wish to
advance in their work must constantly seek more knowledge, or they could lag
behind and become incompetent'. |
| Q |
Many of
those discussion board members who don't care either way are just cynical
towards the whole project saying it can't possibly succeed. How are things
shaping up in the early stages? |
| A |
These types of people have no place working in
education because teachers are, by their very definition, idealists. My
advice to them is to return home and maybe get a job in a car factory or
become an art critic (where they can moan to their hearts content) and leave
the teaching to the teachers. Why would you stay in a country you didn't
care about? That in itself is an insult to the very people who have welcomed
you into their society. You have to ask yourself, did you come to Thailand
to give or to take? All the talk seems to be of money but I would say that
virtue is its own reward. If you saw how my Thai boss grafts for 10K baht
you would have food for thought. What price do you put on seeing a child
smile? You never forget a good teacher and likewise the memory of a bad
teacher who did not care about a child stays with that child forever (I'm
sure that everyone of us can recall at least one teacher from our own
schooldays who lacked patience).
Teachers, you can do one of three things: lead, follow or get out of the
way. I have no time for "teachers" who baulk at the thought of getting their
hands dirty, complaining because they are having to work with blackboards!
If you work at the chalk-face, you get covered in chalk. If you are worried
about your nails, get a job as a beautician. I mean, really?!! Come on, now.
Nelson Mandela said that 'education is the most powerful weapon which you
can use to change the world'. Are you gonna argue with Nelson Mandela?
Sometimes Thais and farang are like chalk and cheese but there is so much we
can teach each other. The children teach me something new everyday, and for
that, I adore them. When I came to this country I came for one reason and
one reason only and that was to learn. I am not an apologist and where there
are flaws I voice my opinions to my Thai colleagues and bosses but you have
to do it in the right way. For Thais and farang to get the best out of each
other in the workplace, each of us has to make an effort to understand the
other. How much Thai language have you bothered to acquire? Do you know the
history of the country in which you are living and working? Do you know its
customs, its modes of etiquette? If we are to be taken seriously, trusted
and listened to, then we have to be prepared to learn too. Show me a teacher
who doesn't love learning and I would question whether they were ever really
a teacher at all.
One invaluable trait I have acquired from living among the Thais is that of
tolerance. The English have a tendency to moan ( i.e. "It's raining again",
"The bus is late again", "that's not a full pint, barman", etc.) but in the
Land of Smiles I have found that I rarely let things get me down. Having
said that, I do feel that although the ' mai pen rai' concept is a strength,
it can also be a hinderance at times. I prefer the phrase 'make an effort'.
I try to instill a work ethic in all my children.You need to give them
incentives, you need to give them discipline, you need to show them that you
really care, because kids are intuitive and will spot a fraud, and you need
boundless energy. How many of us arrive at the foot of a mountain and
without good reason set about climbing that mountain? I came here to share
the beauty of my language and my culture in exchange for what Thailand could
teach me. Show them the relevence and you open them up to a world of
possibilities.
It is early days of course and only time will tell but the Thais deserve to
have good teachers. The level of respect accorded to me by my students only
serves to further impress upon me the obligation which I have to them.
Occasionally lazy, occasionally disobedient, Thai children are never
malicious or nasty. Thai children are 'jai dee' and a joy to be around.
There are no magic bullets but true success is about failing again and again
yet somehow winning through. What would the fate of the English language
have been had the RAF capitulated to the Luftwaffe during the Battle of
Britain? At 3-0 down who gave Liverpool a chance against Milan? Who would
have predicted the Italian economic miracle? Start whinging at the drop of a
hat and the whole thing is doomed to failure. If you're in it for the money
you're in the wrong game - have a go at media sales or recruitment in London
or some other equally banal and meaningless undertaking.
A wise man once said: 'Education and those directly responsible for it,
namely teachers, are of great importance. The people's education is the
indicator of the advancement or the decline of a country. The work of
teachers therefore means the life or death of the country. Teachers have to
be equipped with three significant qualities, namely good knowledge, good
morality, and good ability, and should perform their duties completely and
well.' |
| Q |
Do you
see it being a long-term success? |
| A |
Yes, I do (short and unequivocal answer). |
| Q |
This has
certainly pissed off a number of private school owners who obviously don't
have access to this government project help. Some of them must be losing
teachers in droves as non-native speakers jack in 15-20K jobs to pursue the
pots of gold in Nonthaburi. Any thoughts? |
| A |
Why do they have a policy of only employing non-native
speakers in the first place? Is it because they have found the 'best man for
the job'? Or is it to try and balance other excessive overheads? Is it part
of some philanthropic mission or is it merely in order to maximise profit?
If it is only about making money and feathering one's nest then to my mind
they deserve everything they get. Staff turnover is a fact of life (as is
redundancy) and a consequence of market dynamics. "All is fair in love and
war" (and business), as they say.
Too many private schools put profit above the needs
of their students. It is time to dispense with measures that are purely
cosmetic in favour of substance, and tangible results. I don't know about
'pots of gold' but I do know that you would never catch me working in a
private school, complimentary airfares or no complimentary airfares.
Personally, I prefer teaching poor children because there is nothing quite
as heartening in this life as teaching a bright child who has got nothing;
the child has nothing yet the teacher can clearly see a burgeoning and
incisive intelligence, bursting to get out. Choosing to back the underdog is
just one aspect of being British. |
| Q |
Are we seeing a major change in the
Thailand TEFL business? |
| A |
This is a major initiative and I applaud those
responsible for its inception. I still think it's a bit early to tell
though, but I would have to say that the various parties appear to mean
business. What do you reckon, Phil? Has there ever been anything like this
attempted in Thailand previously? I have been in Thailand but a year so
there's not a lot I can tell you on that score really, but I do know that
the actual school itself where I work in Bangyai has asked me to stay on for
several more years so they would appear to be planning ahead.
I think that if you analyse the industry over the
last few decades change has been a key feature. The Thais know how vital and
worthwhile English is but I don't think there has been quite as much
progress as people would have liked. While there are always more jobs than
teachers in this country, I think that more and more we are seeing qualified
and experienced teachers coming here because of their fondness for the
country and because of the obvious scope for interesting work that exists.
The Nonthaburi Schools project began as a pilot
project but it goes without saying that if it is successful it will probably
expand. Thailand is a progressive and modern state and let's not forget that
historically speaking, English has already played a significant role in its
development. King Chulalongkorn the Great was a reformer, a modernizer and
the first monarch to travel to foreign lands; he was a keen student of both
English and ethnography. He is remembered in the Thailand of today as 'the
father of modern education' and it was therefore fitting that the project be
launched by the very university named in his honour. |
| Q |
I'm
struggling to equate it with good news or bad news? |
| A |
Is the glass half-empty
or half-full? Life is what you make it. It is the responsibility of everyone
concerned to make it work. Above all, I hope the children themselves will
understand this because they are the future of Thailand and they are very
lucky indeed and need to make the most of this opportunity. There are many
different factors and issues to consider but personally I would certainly
advocate making English optional (as Modern Foreign Languages are in the UK)
or introduce certain selection procedures at some point so as to maximize
the impact of the investment.
Some of the children cannot read or write properly
in Thai, let alone in English, so I believe that these children would be
better served if they were to devote their time to acquiring the
fundamentals of an L1 and leave English alone for a couple of years. That
said, I believe that with continued investment the children will prove
themselves capable. The important thing is that foreign teachers who are
unfamiliar with the Thai cultural context be prepared to make an effort to
adapt their own approach to teaching English, while the students themselves
need to be willing to change certain attitudes. The children should do it
for themselves, they should do it for their parents and they should do it
for their King. Thailand is a country with real potential and English
language skills can only enhance these prospects. |
| Q |
Your
final thoughts on the future of mass-recruitment government projects? |
| A |
Look at the JET programme
in Japan and tell me whether you think it is a good thing or a bad thing. I
am of the opinion that Thailand would benefit from an influx of more
professional teachers, that is to say, career teachers, and also younger
teachers. If we can't reach certain kids then we can at least sow the seed
that might arouse their curiosity at a later date. We need ambassadors for
the language and teachers who can deliver lessons with verve and vigour. We
need to shake the children out of their slumber; to break away from the
insular and show them that our ways and our cultures can be every bit as
interesting and entertaining as their own.
I remember visiting Amsterdam several years ago to celebrate my birthday.
What struck me then was the high level of English competence that all the
local citizens possessed. I began asking a road-sweeper for directions using
a series of hand gestures, impromptu sign-language, only for the roadsweeper
to come back at me in beautifully pronounced textbook English. Perhaps one
day people will say the same things about Thailand. Perhaps not, but where
is the harm in trying.
It will be His Majesty the King's Birthday soon and I am very much looking
forward to the celebrations. I remember the glorious firework display that I
witnessed last year just a few weeks after arriving in Thailand. I love
living in this country but I arrived here quite by chance; I had always
wanted to go to Japan but for one reason or another I didn't go. Isn't it
ironic that at times in life it is our fortuitous mistakes that end up
yielding the most satisfying results.
Let me close by asking all those who have a faith to pray this Christmas for
peace in Thailand. |
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