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Julia's Journey
Updated 2nd July 2008
Ajarn.com is going to do something its wanted
to do for quite some time. We're going to follow the story of one teacher as she
prepares to give up life in her homeland and head out to Thailand........to
teach English. I spoke to Julia at length on Sunday evening and she's delighted
to give us the opportunity to monitor her progress and see how things unfold.
Hopefully her journal will give inspiration and information to those about to
embark on a similar journey. Let's begin at the beginning and let Julia
introduce herself.
(Please note that I won't be putting Julia's e-mail address on this page but if
you'd like to contact her, send your e-mails to philip at ajarn.com and I will
forward them on)
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My name is Julia,
I’m 25, I live Newcastle upon Tyne, UK and I am about to embark upon my
final week of CELTA at IH House Newcastle.
Timelines
I plan on leaving for Thailand in November to teach. I am taking 8 weeks
from finishing the CELTA to save up some money for when I first arrive
and to prepare myself as much as possible. I decided Thailand was as
good a place as any to start my teaching career. When I first considered
TEFL as a long term career, Italy was first on my list. However, I heard
that jobs are few and far between and there is a lot of competition for
teaching positions. Thailand was second on my list and by contrast I
heard that the number of teaching positions greatly out numbered the
amount of teachers in the region and that jobs were easier to come by.
Why Thailand?
I was first attracted to Thailand because (although I have never been)
it seems to be unlike anywhere in the west. A ‘land of smiles’ I quickly
discovered after doing some initial research. I wanted to live somewhere
completely different to anywhere I have ever experienced before. Some
friends have done the whole backpacker thing in Thailand, most of them
en route to Australia or on their way back home to England, all of them
admitted they wished they had spent more time discovering Thailand, away
from the tourist trail and the usual back packer hangouts. This is
precisely why I want to teach in Thailand, I could quite easily jump on
a plane and do the whole backpacking thing for a few months, but I want
to immerse myself completely in the Thai lifestyle and culture, I want
to be in the ‘thick of things’, teaching seems like the best way to
this.
Anxieties and questions
I have never been traveling before, the furthest away from home I have
ever been is Cyprus!! So naturally I have many anxieties and questions
about starting a new life in Thailand, mostly about teaching and also
about general day to day things like, what kind of plug sockets do they
use ? Will I have to get a new sim card? Do I need to set up a new bank
account once I arrive? Should I take my laptop ? With regards to
teaching, my over riding questions are : Should I arrange a job before I
leave ? and What type of Visa should I get ? If I the answer to the
first question is no, where should I go when I first arrive? How will I
get a job once I am there? If I can’t get a job before I arrive how do I
get a ‘non – immigrant B visa?’ The list of questions seems to be
endless, and being a bit of a control freak I want to get as many of
them answered before I leave. A friend from the CELTA course suggested I
log on to Ajarn.com for information and boy am I glad I did ! I was
planning on going through an agency of sorts to arrange a placement for
me, which would cost me £400! I have since learned through the ajarn
discussion forum that this is completely unnecessary and it is quite
easy to do everything myself, saving myself £400 in the process! So I am
going to take the plunge and book my flights next week, hooray !
TEFL course
I originally decided to apply for the CELTA three years ago after
completing a degree in English and History. Unfortunately a near death
experience, which involved a sledging accident that went terribly wrong
(don’t ask!) left me a virtual invalid for months and my plans sort of
fell by the way side. The course itself has been fantastic and by far
the best thing I have ever done. It has been extremely challenging and
very intense but (the majority of my colleagues will think I am mad for
saying this) I have loved every minute. It is something I have wanted to
do for such a long time, and after reading various accounts of CELTA
experiences on the net I was well prepared for my life being taken over
by CELTA for a month.
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My
chat with Julia on September 9th
Julia and I had a nice chat on
the telephone and I got a good feel for how daunting this must all be
for here. She's swapping the cozy familiarity of Newcastle, The River
Tyne, and 'fishes on little dishes' for the hustle and bustle of
Thailand's capital. And the adventure all starts in mid-November, giving
her eight weeks to prepare her goodbyes and start fretting about what
lies ahead. Hopefully we can help smooth that process a little. My first
concern is that Julia is setting her sights way too low where money is
concerned. On the plus side, she's arriving with a degree and a CELTA
certificate. On the minus side, there are still those horrible student
loans to pay off. With her qualifications, she should be aiming for
salaries in the 40-60,000 baht a month bracket, not the 30-35,000s that
she'd set her heart on and accepted as the norm.
It's a teacher's market
Julia was adamant that she didn't want to teach children (mainly
because her experiences on the CELTA course have all been with adult
students) That's fine. Although the kid's market is huge in Thailand,
that doesn't mean for a second you can't find full-time work teaching
adults. I'm beginning to sound like an old gramophone record here, but
if there's one piece of advice I would give to new arrivals - don't fix
up a job before you arrive. Give yourself a few days to get over the
jetlag - find your Bangkok legs - and then start your job search. You
have to keep your eye on the market here and right now it's very much a
teacher's market. Julia's problem is going to be which jobs to turn
down!
Where to stay?
Many new arrivals head for the infamous backpacker ghetto of
Banglampoo, with the lure of cheap accommodation (as low as 200 baht a
night) and the fact that so many Thais in that area speak a decent level
of English. To me this is a huge mistake for two reasons.
Firstly, there's often a stigma attached to being based in Banglampoo -
at least in the eyes of interviewers and potential employers. Giving
employers your contact address as 'some guest house in Banglampoo'
conjures up images of a transient backpacker who's just in it for some
quick cash. And very often it's the truth. Secondly, it can be very
difficult to contact teachers when the room doesn't have a phone and the
teacher is reliant on messages being left with the reception staff -
staff who mean well but aren't always the sharpest tools in the box. Of
course the ready availability of cheap mobile phones has by and large
alleviated the latter problem. Setting yourself up with a mobile phone
as soon as possible is a very smart way to go.
How does the old saying go? - pack half
the clothes and bring twice the money? Something like that anyway. Find
yourself a cheap hotel or one of those boutique hotels on the Sukhumwit
Road area. That way you'll be near the Sky-train and be able to reach
all the major parts of the city in less than an hour. I did a quick
google search of boutique hotels in Bangkok and this one at Majestic
Suites is typical of its standard
http://www.majesticsuites.com/
The room will be small for sure but you'll have all the facilities and
its in a great location for getting around the city. And it's less than
20 quid a night! You wouldn't want to stay here forever of course but
I'd certainly book in for three or four days and then extend your stay
on a daily basis as and when needed. There are stacks of other options
in the Sukhumwit / Silom areas though.
The visa conundrum
The biggest dilemma is what visa to arrive on. Although in a perfect
world, Julia would arrive with a non-immigrant B visa (this is the one
required to facilitate the teacher's license and work permit process) it
isn't always possible unless you have a letter of guaranteed employment.
However, Julia is currently in the UK so it might be worth contacting
the Thai consulates at Hull and Birmingham. These two consulates have a
reputation as being 'slightly more lenient' with the visas they give out
- certainly compared to London anyway. Failing that, she can simply get
a tourist visa which will allow her two to three months in Thailand
during by which time she will have secured her 'ideal' job (truth is I
expect her to secure something within seven days) After that, she'll
either need to do the 'visa run' to a neighboring country like Malaysia
or Singapore - with some documentation from her new employer - and she
will secure a non-immigrant B. Then the process of applying for the
license and work permit can begin - a process which by and large
shouldn't take more than a month. There have been teachers who have
successfully changed their visa status from tourist to non-immigrant
without leaving the country but much depends on the immigration officer
and how willing to go to bat for you your school admin department is.
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11th
September 2007
Just got home and checked out the website ! It's ace !! Pleased you used that
photo, it is much more flattering !! The information you have given is so useful
and if it's useful for me no doubt it will be helpful for many others planning
on coming to Thailand to teach. I also have lots and lots of questions that keep
coming to me, the most pressing question on my mind today is 'What documents
should I take with me with regards to getting visa, work permits etc' ..I'm
guessing I should bring a copy of my degree and celta certification, is there
anything else ? Sorry if the answers to my questions seem obvious !!!
Anyway I better get on with my final CELTA assignment that is due on Wednesday,
with all this excitement I have to keep reminding myself I still have a week of
CELTA left ( which is about a month in real time !)
11th
September 2007
Glad you liked the webpage Julia.
As regards documents, bring the original copies of both your degree and CELTA.
You can make photocopies here as and when required. I think the Ministry of
Education (the people who will ultimately issue your teaching license) insist on
seeing the original copies these days. If you can, try and accompany the Thai
admin person who will go through the process on your behalf. I say this because
it's a good idea not to let those original documents out of your sight. There
have been tales in the past of original documents getting lost. Admittedly these
mishaps are few and far between - but it does happen.
Another question you asked me on the phone was regarding internet connections. I
believe you're bringing your notebook right? This is one thing you certainly
don't have to worry about. Bangkok must be the internet capital of the world.
The range of goods and services in Bangkok's I.T malls will blow your mind, and
you're never far away from an internet cafe or a wi-fi connection. Many coffee
shops in the city such as Starbucks and bakeries like Au Bon Pain all now have
wi-fi for customers to use, provided they buy a coffee or a croissant of course.
Every eighteen months or so I go back to visit my folks in Spain. It's like
stepping back in time as far as technology is concerned. Bangkok feels as if
it's ten years ahead. It truly is a modern city in every sense of the word. You
can buy everything you need here in order to make life comfortable.
While I'm thinking about it. you might like to
check out Michelle's blog at
http://britinbangkok.blogspot.com/
British Michelle came to Thailand in late 2003 and was very much in the same
position as you - a lone female, strange country, no contacts, etc, etc but
she's made a very decent go of things. For sure she's had her ups and downs but
she's weathered the storms and although I haven't spoken to her for some time,
the blog tells its own story. She had no difficulty whatsoever landing a 45,000
baht job at a new Thai school.
17th
September 2007
So I finished CELTA on Friday, and we all celebrated with a big night out
and it turned out to be one of the best nights I've ever had. We were all so
elated to have finished the course ( and passed!). I'm really going to miss it,
it's been four of the hardest but best weeks of my life and I met some really
great people along the way. Me and a few others are going to carry on teaching
the free classes at IH Newcastle for the next couple of weeks, which is nice as
I think I'd really miss teaching, and it gives me more practice before I arrive
in Thailand.
I went to book my flights, and discussed all the options with the travel agent,
it was confusing. The travel agent said that I could get a 12 month open return
ticket for £480 but in order to use such a ticket I must obtain a non –
immigrant visa before I leave. She also said that I wouldn't be able to arrive
in Thailand on a one way ticket and would probably be refused entry!!?? Do you
concur? Anyway she too said I would be best contacting the consulate in Hull
regarding visas and she was confident that a non – immigrant visa would be quite
easy to obtain prior to leaving the country. So I'm going to give them a call
tomorrow, so I'll let you know what they say. The agent advised me not to book
my flights until I have spoken to them. I also realised this week that my
passport expired in June! So I am my renewal application off first thing
tomorrow. It's a good job I checked before I left for the airport in 8 weeks
time !!
Questions of the week:
Apartments etc in Thailand – How easy are they to come by? How will I go about
finding a place once I have found a job? What sort of price will I be looking at
per month? Will I need to sign a contract for a minimum amount of time? Will I
need to pay a deposit or a bond prior to moving in?
So all in all I haven't really made very much progress but now that the CELTA is
over and I have my life back I can concentrate on making all the necessary
arrangements for my departure, starting with my passport obviously !!
17th
September 2007
Congratulations Julia on doing so well on the CELTA course. I'm sure that
you're breathing a huge sigh of relief now. I think you're very wise picking up
a bit more teaching practice before you head out here. Even though the CELTA has
prepared you well, nothing ever beats experience. It's like passing your driving
test. First you pass - and then you start learning to drive!
Moving on to your travel agent's comments, it's the first I've heard about
needing a non-immigrant visa if you plan on buying a one-way ticket. I would
hate to say that your travel agent is just plain wrong but perhaps they're
simply erring on the side of caution. No one would want to be turned away at the
airport but you have to remember that thousands of people arrive in Asia to do a
bit of travelling and have no idea which country they'll be leaving from.
Perhaps they want to start in Thailand, bum around Laos and Vietnam for a while,
move on to Malaysia, maybe even visit friends in Australia - and then fly back
from there. Lots of people arrive with no fixed itinerary and have no intention
of picking up work. However, the travel industry is in a constant state of
change and it's difficult to keep track of the rules and regulations at times.
Give Hull a call and see what they say. I'm sure that many people would be
interested in their response.
I put together a guide to renting an apartment
some time ago and recently got round to updating it. You can view the guide at
http://www.ajarn.com/Banter/rentinganapartment.htm if you haven't
already done so. It tells you pretty much all you need to know about deposits,
etc and the perils and pitfalls of renting an apartment.
20th
September 2007
Sorry it's taken so long to reply I seem to have caught the CELTA flu and
I've been bed ridden for the past two days. I have checked out the apartment
article, I couldn't see anything about length of contracts ( sorry if I'm being
completely blind) Will I need to sign a contract and is there a minimum length
of time ? I rang the consulate and they said I could get a non- immigrant O
visa, which I would need if I wanted to book 12 month open return flights and I
would have to get a non- immigrant B visa when I get there, but they also said
that I could get a work permit in Thailand with a non- immigrant O visa, again I
am confused !!!!

20th
September 2007
Hi Julia. Sorry to hear that you're feeling a bit under the weather. Get
well soon!
I'm certainly not going to argue with the consular general in Hull. I've looked
at their website many times and Alan always seems to be on top of the game as
regards the latest rule changes. I think the rule about being able to get a work
permit on a non-immigrant O visa is a fairly recent one. It could have been part
of the October 2006 shake-up when many rules and regulations were changed. It
sounds as though the non-immigrant O is certainly the way to go, even if it
means buying an open flight ticket. It'll save you the hassle of having to do
the visa run to a neighboring country just as you are getting settled into your
life in Thailand and I quite like the security of having a paid flight out of
Dodge just in case the dream doesn't work out. When I first planned to come and
live in Thailand, a great friend of mine gave me good advice - as long as you
have the money in your back pocket for a flight home, you can't go wrong.
Visa runs can be fairly stressful for the inexperienced. You can do a run to
Malaysia and suddenly find it's a Muslim bank holiday and the embassy won't be
open for a day or two. Then there's the occasional delayed flight or train. and
then of course ultimate setback which is the refusal of your visa application
because you've only got a hundred different types of paperwork and the embassy
wants 101.
As regards the apartment contract, the rules
will differ from apartment owner to apartment owner. You will certainly need to
sign a contract though. This will 'guarantee' the return of your deposit
provided you haven't trashed the room and damaged furniture so make sure you
keep it in a safe place. I guess that most apartments will ask you to commit to
at least six months; many of them to a year.
26th
September 2007
Hey Phil, Just thought I'd send you a quick update, so I'm going to
book my flights on Friday ( pay day). I have decided to postpone my departure
date by one week to 26th Nov, this is due to work commitments and it's also a
chance to earn some extra cash before I leave. Do you think the later date will
have any impact on my chances of getting a job ? I have booked an appointment
with my GP for Monday to start my various inoculations, apparently I will need
to make several appointments for courses of specific drugs, but as i'm
spleenless ( as a result of my accident) I'm anxious to get as many anti -
tropical disease drugs in my system as possible! Hopefully my passport will
arrive any day now so I can apply for my visa. I'm so excited for my big
adventure I'm even going to start packing this weekend !! I keep having mini
panic attacks though and I have woke up in the middle of the night thinking '
ahhhhhhhhhh I'm going to be in Bangkok on my own.. what am I doing ??!!' a few
times but I keep telling myself if I just take it one step at a time I'll be
fine... I hope ! My main concern is what will I do when I first arrive and sleep
off my jet lag ? Do I just log on to the net and try and arrange some interviews
? I'm also worrying about getting around and getting to job interviews, I have
no sense of direction and my map reading skills are poor at the best of times,
is the sky train easy to use ? Another question, where will I get a Thai sim
card from ? I will be passing my UK sim card and mobile contract on to a member
of my family so I will need to buy a new sim card straight away, can I get one
from the airport ? Sorry if my questions seems a bit trivial !

26th
September 2007
Hey Julia. One step at a time. That's a very good philosophy. After you've
been here a couple of weeks, you'll begin to wonder what all the fuss and panic
attacks were about. It's perfectly natural though to worry about what you might
consider trivial matters - such as the mobile phone and sim card issue - so
let's get that one out of the way first. You're coming to what's probably the
mobile phone capital of the world. Even the street-food sellers and tuk-tuk
drivers can often be seen with a mobile to their ear these days. Love them or
hate them (and no one loathes mobile phones more than I do) If you don't carry a
mobile phone in this city, you'll be viewed by many as slightly odd. You can
sort yourself out with a mobile and sim card in ten minutes at one of the
numerous shopping malls that often devote whole floors to the business of mobile
phone retail. One of the most popular places - simply because there's so much
choice - is Mahboonkrong Shopping Center or MBK as it's more commonly known.
Take the BTS Silom line to the National Stadium and you can walk right into MBK
from there. Don't think about getting a phone and sim card at the airport.
Airports are for landing at - not shopping.
Once you arrive and get over the jetlag, it
will be time to start your job hunt. If you haven't seen it already, A.J Hoge
wrote an excellent guide to finding a job in Bangkok within ten days.
http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/0411/find_a_job_teaching_english_in_thailand_in_10_days.shtml
He gives some good information about the mobile
phone purchase on day 3 and of course a nice plug for ajarn.com on day number 4.
I certainly wouldn't go for 'dropping in on AUA' on day 5 though. Turning up
announced anywhere, given Bangkok's oppressive heat and humidity, isn't the
wisest idea. I'm not saying AUA is a bad choice. Many teachers have worked there
years and many teachers have got their start there, but it's not the only choice
you'll have. I would stick to making appointments only with those schools and
employers that have shown an interest. Make sure the job feels right for you as
well. Don't go on wild goose chases. When speaking to a potential employer on
the phone in order to set up an interview, if the person on the other end of the
line is unwilling to part with the most basic information such as working hours,
salary, benefits, etc or heaven forbid they sound unsure - then give them a wide
berth. You have to bear in mind that many employers are just looking for a warm
body in the classroom and their desperation will often come through over the
phone. The interview will just be a formality. Always set your sights high to
begin with. You can lower your expectations when and if the need truly arises.
On day 6, the writer recommends looking through the Bangkok Post and Nation
classifieds (Bangkok's two daily English language newspapers) but in truth they
don't carry the volume of 'teacher wanted' ads that they did say ten years ago.
Many of the ads fall into what I call the 'penny ad' category, where a square
column inch will simply say 'teachers wanted' and provide no other info apart
from a mobile phone number. Not exactly the most auspicious and appealing way to
start your Bangkok teaching career in my book.
The sky-train and MRT underground systems are
both very easy to use and they've made commuting in the central part of the city
(and a little beyond) very easy. Remember that Bangkok doesn't actually have 'a
city center' or a 'downtown area' although many argue its the Silom / Sathorn
Roads. This is purely because that's where many office buildings and major
companies are located.
Your mention of inoculations brought back
memories of 1989, just before I embarked on my first trip to Bangkok. I was in
the doctor's surgery countless times getting a syringe full of anything going -
protection against Cholera, Polio, Typhoid, Malaria - you name it. I remember
one of the injections making me feel quite ill for a couple of days. Personally
I don't think they are necessary. I haven't bothered with them for years and
apart from a short bout of dengue fever in the early 90s, I've had no problems.
My own mother and father have been to Thailand seven times and they only
bothered with inoculations on the very first trip.
Your final concern is about the time of your
arrival - in late November. Frankly speaking December and January are the worst
two months to look for work - particularly in the private language school
sector. Many students take time off for Christmas, New Year, Chinese New Year
holidays and teacher schedules often have a very stop / start feel to them. Not
for one moment though am I saying there are no jobs around at this time of year.
That's simply not true. But there will certainly be fewer openings in December
and January compared to the busy times such as April and May. Don't change your
plans though Julia. Still aim for a November arrival. On the plus side, the
Bangkok climate in December and January can be glorious. Although the term 'cool
season' is something of a misnomer, you might actually experience the joy of
needing a light sweater or sweatshirt early in the morning as the temperatures
'plummet' to about 65-70 degrees f.
2nd
October 2007
Thanks for the forwarded e-mails. They are very reassuring and I will
definitely get in touch with Michelle to take her up on her offer of meeting me.
I booked my flights on Friday so there really is no going back now, think I got
quite a bargain as they only cost £450, which was cheaper than I expected. I had
to specify a return date but I can change it to any date within a 12 month
period for £75 so it's more or less an open return. I am sending off for my visa
tomorrow and hopefully I'll not have any problems with that. I am struggling to
type this email as I feel like I have been punched in the arm repeatedly after
having several injections today, and I have to go back for more next week.
Having read the site and other sources I am freaking out a bit about clothes,
will I be expected to dress really smartly for interviews/ teaching ? I am very
much a jeans and flip flops kind of girl and I have never owned a suit !!! Now I
am panicking as I gather that I will have to dress very formally with closed
shoes. If this is the case will I not overheat and be a sweaty mess ?! I know
your a guy so you may not be able to give me very good advice on this matter but
if anyone reading this could give me some fashion advice I would be very
grateful.
I have also been pondering the question of bank accounts. I understand that I
will have to open an account with the bank that my employer uses, is this
correct ? If so how easy it to transfer funds between a Thai account and a UK
account ? Is Thai banking easy to manage, i.e online banking etc. Do Thai bank
accounts use a direct debit system for paying bills etc. Again these questions
may seem a bit ridiculous to someone who has lived in Bangkok for so long but
this is stuff that I want to know before I arrive !
2nd
October 2007
Hi Julia. Firstly I'm glad that Michelle has been in touch with you. As I've
said before, she certainly knows the ropes here - and from a woman's point of
view as well. I also believe she's going to hook you up with a room at her
apartment building so that could be one less thing to worry about.
To be honest, you've picked on two questions that I'm struggling with - women's
clothes and presumably transferring small amounts of money back to the UK on a
regular basis? I'll certainly need Michelle's and other readers' help with the
clothing issue. The lady I sometimes do seminars with usually wears a navy blue
jacket and skirt (is that what you refer to as a suit?) with a nice blouse
underneath. A jacket can be a real burden in Bangkok's sticky humid climate
though, so I think often just a blouse and skirt would suffice. Michelle?
Anyone? Help! As regards the banking issue, I've just added my thoughts on Thai
banks to the ajarn world section
http://ajarn.com/ajarnworld.htm One thing I don't do is send money
back to the UK on a regular basis but I believe it can be done on-line,
depending on what bank you use. A few of them are fairly competent where
e-banking is concerned but most of them are woefully behind the times.
Unfortunately, as you rightly point out, your employer will usually dictate
which bank you should open the account with. It makes perfect sense for the
accounting staff at any company to pay everyone's salary at the same bank so
that's the reasoning behind it. It's also very difficult for a foreigner to open
a savings account here without a work permit. We live in times of due diligence
and strict anti-money laundering rules so Thai banks always err on the side of
caution in this respect. Banking is one of those things you'll have to sort out
when you're here and the situation will be a lot clearer and a lot more
straightforward once you have a job sorted out.
9th
October 2007
Feedback from Michelle
Hey Julia
So sorry, I got incredibly busy and barely had time to sleep :) Okay, here
goes....First of all, I'll definitely reserve a room for you. I'll also go
around with the manager of my building closer to the time and look at the rooms
she has available and choose the nicest for you (one side of the building gets
hotter than the other so you don't want a room there as your air conditioning
bill gets really high :) I'll double check on the prices but for the one-rooms I
think they are 8,000 baht a month plus electricity and water? That's all you
need for the first month, because they're pretty big anyway. I have a 1-bedroom,
but you don't really need that at first and they are 10,000 baht if you sign a 1
year contract (which you can always do if you decide you like the place!) It's a
great place for your first month, then you can either decide to stay or move
somewhere else.
Normally you can do month-to-month, so you can move at the end of a month
without losing any money. Later you can sign a 6 month contract or a 1 year
contract if you like, and you usually get it a bit cheaper (for example, my room
is normally 12,000 baht but I get it for 10,000 because I have a 1 year
contract). You definitely don't want to move out without completing a contract
though anywhere in Thailand because they WILL keep your money and 16,000 baht is
a fair amount, that's why it's always good not to sign a long contract until you
know where you're going to be working, if you like the area etc.
Here's the website for PMansion:
http://www.pmansion.com/
The rooms are pretty similar to the photos although Ive never seen any with
hardwood floors :) They usually have tile floors, which are great as they keep
the rooms cooler and they're waaaaay easier to clean than carpet. They also come
with basic cable TV, western bathroom (which is a BIG deal for me, a Western
bathroom is with a bath and a shower - a Thai bathroom is with the shower head
coming directly out of the wall which then sprays ALL OVER the freakin'
bathroom, toilet, counter, floor etc. every time you take a shower - you then
have to paddle in the bathroom for the next hour until the floor dries - hate
the things :)
As far as where it is: It's at 27 Pahonyothin, Soi 23 - if you can find Mo Chit
skytrain station on a map (next to Chatuchak (Jatujak) market), it's about 2
miles north of that. It takes 5 minutes on a bus from the skytrain UNLESS the
traffic is bad which is pretty much every day here :) but that's the same
anywhere.
It's a great location to get around from though. It's 15 minutes to downtown
Bangkok by skytrain and because it's north of the city, the air is cleaner up
here (although don't expect clean, it's Bangkok - pollution IS bad most days -
but much worse downtown). It will take you 5 minutes on a bus or taxi to get to
the skytrain and 5 minutes to the underground - the underground IS a bit closer
than the skytrain and you CAN walk to it (it's about a mile) so if the traffic
is really bad, you can always take the underground and then walk home.
A
big shopping mall, Central Ladprao, which has everything (KFC, McDonalds, Boots
Chemist, big department store, electronic stores, phone shops, cafes,
restaurants, bookstore, music store, stationary store, office supplies etc) is a
mile away - I usually walk to it. Tesco is across from Central Ladprao and it is
a 2 storey one so has everything - it's also dead easy to get a ton of shopping
then take a taxi home (costs about 60p and takes 5 minutes). A doorman at Tesco
will get a taxi for you. And doormen at my apartment building will cycle down
the soi to the main road to get a taxi for you at any time if you don't feel
like walking to the end of the street. Taxi fares start at about 60p and are
very rarely more than 1 pound 50 depending on where you're going. Taxi fare from
the airport to my apartment building should be about 350 baht, about 5 pounds -
we're about 45 minutes away from the airport since they built the new one.
Re: IH - they are supposed to be a very good school and they pay well, the only
thing I would caution is they teach almost 100% children I think and I didn't
think you wanted to teach kids? Also, make sure you don't sign up for anything
until you get here - there are sooooo many jobs, especially because you're a
woman, you can easily get a part-time job that will pay your rent etc. until you
decide on a full-time job and most full-time jobs they hire you one day and want
you working the day after :) If IH is on Silom it's very easy to get there from
my place - just take the underground and that will take you right to Silom then,
depending on where it is, a couple of minutes walk from there or motorcycle taxi
should do it.
Re: clothing - yes they ARE picky here about what you have to wear. In most
schools if you teach kids, you either have to wear a skirt and blouse, or pants
and blouse with full shoes (ie: not sandals) . But some schools are more slack -
my school allowed pants and a blouse (which was technically an ugly school
uniform that we had to buy) and sandals as long as they have a strap at the back
ie: no flip flops!
If you're teaching corporate, you will be expected to wear a blouse/shirt and a
skirt or pants and full shoes. Honestly, as long as you are clean, tidy and look
professional you probably won't have a problem. And again, you're female, most
places are soooooo freakin' happy to get a woman, if you're nice, SMILE and do
your job, you'll get away with murder in most schools :)
And really, it's hot, it's always hot, and you probably won't get used to it,
but you do get used to the clothes and being hot in them. Part and parcel of
being in Thailand and everybody is HOT :)
Hope all this helps, sorry it's a book - but the main thing in Thailand to
remember is this - Be polite, be happy and smile, and do your job and the Thais
will love you and you will have no problems. :) It's a wonderful country, very
safe, and if you are nice and polite the world is yours!
You've read, I'm sure, the guys on ajarn bitching about Thais and their schools.
I never had a problem at my school, but a couple of the guys did because they
were such a bunch of whining assholes, always trying to get away with not doing
their jobs, showing up reeking of sweat or smoke etc. and wondering why the
school asked them to put on a clean shirt the following day. One even tried to
hit on a 13 year old student and was surprised when the school didn't renew his
contract!
You will find the ones who bitch about Thailand a lot are usually the ones who
don't do their jobs, spend all their money drinking or on prostitutes, show up
late for school, go home early, show up drunk, take 100 sick days a year etc.
The guys who are friends of mine and DO do their jobs and treat the Thais nicely
love it here and very rarely have a problem! I've been here for 4 years and
never had a problem with a Thai. I have however had a couple of problems with
Western men, so like most people here, I avoid most of them :) I think even Phil
does that????? LOL.
Cheers and keep the questions coming.
Michelle
9th
October
Michelle's really on a roll
This is an additional email answering the
questions you sent to Phil (hey Phil :)
Julia, as far as interview clothes go a nice blouse/shirt and a professional
looking skirt or pants is fine. You do NOT need a suit :) (I have one, I've worn
it once!) As far as shoes go, for the interview, open toed sandals with a heel
(and preferably a strap at the back) are fine - if they require you to wear full
shoes they will probably tell you at the interview. Some schools definitely do,
but.....because you are female, if you are nice, polite and happy, you can often
get away with wearing whatever shoes you want. A friend of mine wears Crocs to
school and because the school loves her, they've never said a word!!!
But.....unless
you are really big and require XXXXL shirts, skirts, and huge shoes, don't worry
you can buy everything here a LOT cheaper than you can buy in the UK (shirts run
about 1 pound 50, skirts/pants I've bought as cheap as 4 pounds and they're
nice!) Shoes are about 2 pounds 50 too if you dont want leather and they're
everywhere!! Everybody I know (including myself!) who has arrived with tons of
stuff has immediately said "Why didn't I wait until I got here, it's soooooo
much cheaper :)"
Re: banks. Thai banks are awesome - waaaay better than any bank I ever had in
the US. You can pay your cable TV bill, electricity bill, phone bill etc right
at the ATM machine (although if you are at PMansion you just pay it once a month
in cash at the frontdesk for everything!)
I have a Bangkok Bank account which I think is the best. Siam Commercial is also
apparently very good. Some banks now will not let you open an account until you
have a work permit but I've opened two accounts at Bangkok Bank without a work
permit, so it seems to depend on the bank. The ONLY drawback with Thai banks is
that, if you want to close them or do anything major, you HAVE to do it at the
branch you opened it at, so even if there is a Bangkok Bank outside your house,
you still have to schlep downtown to the branch you opened it at if you need a
new ATM card etc. Crazy! My recommendation would be to open a Bangkok Bank
account downtown at somewhere like Siam Paragon - there's never a huge line, the
staff are very nice, and it's right next to the skytrain so easy to get to if
you need to. It's also open 7 days a week!
When I transfer money from the US to Thailand, I just pull it thru with my ATM
card - if you transfer from one bank to another it's usually a 500 baht fee
(approximately depending on the bank!) which can really add up. Plus if you pull
money thru with an ATM card, you get the best exchange rate. Only bring a little
cash with you, you can get money with an ATM card at the airport and should
never have a problem using a UK ATM card in most places in Thailand.
As far as direct deposit goes, some employers do, some just pay you in cash.
Depends on the company. It should be easy for you once you have a Thai bank
account though, to sign up to be able to do everything online, (although you'll
still have to go into the branch for some things) and you should be able to
transfer from Thailand to the UK that way if you need to.
Hope all this helps? :) Oh and as far as tampons go, if you use them, some guys
online will tell you they're hard to get (don't know why THEY are the experts??
LOL) - they're not, they're available all over Bangkok so no need to come with a
years supply like one of my friends did :)
9th
October 2007
Some good advice there from Michelle, especially about the tampons (Phil
blushes ever so slightly)
Michelle's opinion of Thai banks differs a little from mine but that said, I've
been most impressed with the Bangkok Bank. They do seem to try that little bit
harder.
That's also very good advice about sending money home via the ATM machine,
although 500 baht is about seven pounds so it's certainly not an insignificant
bank charge. You wouldn't want to do that too often. I remember in the early
90's I used to withdraw money from my bank account in the UK through the ATM but
in those days ATMs were not as common as they are now. I used to have to walk
all the way from my apartment in Sukhumwit 22 to an ATM opposite soi 33 if I
wanted any money. It was a fair old walk in 90 degrees heat. Now of course ATMs
are all over the place. Go into any major office building or even at certain
underground stations, and there are whole rows of them side by side.
12th
October 2007
Yes I have seen Michelle's response, it's certainly cleared up my worries
about clothing. I have purchased a couple of blouse and pants combinations and
I'll just buy more when I get there, it'll certainly be a lot cheaper. I am
going to take Michelle up on her offer of reserving a room for me, at least for
my first month, so at least I know I have a place to stay when I first arrive,
which is a big weight off my mind.
Not much to update you on really, apart from I visited the travel clinic in
Newcastle city centre yesterday on the advice of my doctor. As I don't have a
spleen she wanted me to get some specialist advice. The doctor there was very
helpful and did a good job of scaring the sh*t out of me ! She said that many
dogs in Thailand have rabies and that I should avoid them at all costs. She also
said she didn't want to give me any antimalarials as they would make me quite
ill, even more so because of my lack of spleen situation so instead she advised
that I use lots of insect repellent because if I do catch Malaria I stand little
chance of survival ! She reassured me however that the chances of this happening
are slim as I will be living in Bangkok. She also gave me a personal health
report which me made for scary reading, especially 'Rabies is invariably fatal
once symptoms begin' and ' A German traveller died from malaria following a 6
month trip to Thailand. She visited areas in the south where malaria tablets are
not recommended.' I plan on visiting areas in the south so I think I better
start stocking up on insect repellent!
This leads me nicely on to my question of the week. Health Insurance - obviously
I need to get some just in case I am bitten by a mad rabid dog or a deadly
mosquito. I have been reading your articles on the subject and the insurance you
recommend sounds good, but should I arrange this before I arrive or wait until I
get there ? I have also been looking at the travel insurance on the Bupa website
which also seems quite a good policy.
Oh I also contacted IH Bangkok to enquire about the possibility of working for
them and they sent me a nice email saying they would like to meet me to arrive
and asking me to fill in a pre- interview application form and send them a copy
of my CV to start the application process now. I'm going to contact the other
big schools before I arrive as per A.J Hodges 10 day job search guide.
12th
October 2007
There are always people out there who want to scare the shit out of you
about Thailand and hand out well-meaning advice - despite the fact that in many
cases they've never ever been here.
Stray dogs are everywhere in Thailand, especially Bangkok, but they're
incredibly docile. As a dog lover, it breaks my heart to see them struggling to
hang on to their last shreds of canine dignity. I haven't been bitten in 17
years. I've had the odd one bark at me and adopt an aggressive stance but this
has always been on isolated housing estates rather than populated areas, where
the dogs are used to people kicking them and moving them on. Health insurance is
certainly a very wise idea though. I would sort it out when you get here. You
can walk into the BUPA office and open a policy on the same day or you can go
with ajarn.com's health insurance guru Tony Dabbs. The nice thing about dealing
with Tony is that he's incredibly supportive and let's face it - you're dealing
with one of your own. Whatever you choose - make sure it's one of those policies
where you can just wave a card at the staff when you get admitted to hospital
and all the bills are taken care of. I wouldn't want a system where I have to
pay the bill and have to settle it later. Why not drop Tony a line and see
whether he suggests arranging health insurance before you get here or not -
assuming you were to go with Thai Health Insurance (THI)
31st
October 2007
Hi Phil, Not sure when you'll get back from NZ, if you're already back I
hope you enjoyed the trip.
Well it's just over 4 weeks to go !! I'm
getting really restless now, I just want to leave ! I feel like I should be
doing lots of preparation but I've pretty much got most of it sorted out so
I'm just sitting waiting, I'm hoping the next four weeks will fly by. I have
my visa back and I'm almost finished my various Vaccinations. I've emailed
Tony about health insurance and he was very helpful. I've also emailed Bupa
Thailand regarding their Sunshine Policy which is a six month plan so I'm
waiting for response back from them. I think I'll probably just sort it out
when I get there.
I completed an application form for IH but I
haven't heard anything back yet. I'll email them again nearer my departure
date as well as some other schools. I feel pretty prepared in terms of
living in Bangkok, I'm now getting anxious about the actual work side of
things. It's been 4 weeks since my the last lesson I taught and I'm starting
to worry that I'll forget everything I learned during CELTA ! I'm also
dreading my first few lessons in the 'real world' but I'm sure everyone must
feel this way when it's their first teaching job. I am going to sort through
my file and lesson plans from CELTA and try and refresh myself on
everything. I hope that when I start working my employers will take into
account it's my first teaching job and offer me the necessary support. In
your experience is this usually the case ?
I have also been spending far too much time on
Google Earth looking around Bangkok to try and get my bearings, I'm sure it
will all go out the window once I arrive. One more question, people I know
who have visited/ lived in Thailand keep warning me about Taxi's and the
fact that they will try and rip me off. What is the deal with Taxi's I have
read conflicting advice about using them. Do they try and rip you off ? If
so what is the best way to avoid this ? Should I arrange a set fair before I
embark upon a journey or just use the metre ?
31st
October 2007
Hi Julia.
I got back from New Zealand on Monday and had a great time thanks.
Little bit on the cold side at times though. It reminded me of life in the
UK when I used to wait on cold platforms for late trains. You'll know all
about that right. OK what about the answers to your questions? Whether
or not you get teacher support at the beginning of your contract (or at any
time for that matter) depends totally on your employer. For some schools
they'll be happy just to have a foreign face in the classroom and you'll be
given a free rein to pretty much do as you please. As long as there are no
complaints from students then everything will be deemed to be going just
fine. Other employers will offer you development workshops, peer
evaluations, appropriate teaching materials, etc, etc. As I said, it varies
from employer to employer. I know the guys down at IH Bangkok pretty well
and they certainly seem to be on top of things when it comes to teacher
support.
I have no problems with taxis in Bangkok
although speaking even a small amount of Thai instantly lets drivers know
that you know the score. The biggest problem I have is when drivers have
just arrived in the city and haven't the foggiest idea where you need to go.
Rip-offs do occur for sure but they will happen at either the airport or
certain 'touristy' areas around the city. The area around Patpong on Silom
Road instantly springs to mind, but once you know where the dodgy areas are,
you learn to walk a few hundred metres down the road and flag a taxi down on
the street. When you talk about 'people who have visited Thailand', you are
probably talking about holidaymakers and package tourists. They often get
ripped off because they wander out of their fancy hotel and get involved in
conversation with the taxi drivers who park outside. Every fancy hotel has
its taxi mafia parked reasonably close by but they are easy to recognize and
easy to avoid. You just keep on walking. You'll soon get the hang of it.
Always get drivers to use the meter - no one with any sense bargains for
fares anymore. 99% of the time the driver will turn on the meter the moment
you sit down.
1st
November 2007
Thanks Phil, I'm glad you enjoyed your trip, and yes I can relate to the
cold weather especially as it is now edging into winter here and it's getting
dark before 5pm. One thing I won't miss when I leave is the lack of sunshine. As
ever, thank you for answering my questions. Less than four weeks to go ! whoo !
I'm just itching to get away. The past four weeks seem to have dragged so much,
but now time is really flying by and it's starting to hit home that I'm leaving
soon. One thing that I'm not looking forward to though is saying goodbye to my
friends and family. I'm going to miss them all very much, probably my dog more
than anything which I'm sure my family and friends will be flattered to hear !
I have received a couple emails from Michelle who has been really helpful and
it's comforting to know that I'll have a friend when I first arrive. I have just
received an email from IH Bangkok regarding my application form and CV. They
have sent me some information about what a teacher can expect at IH Bangkok
which I have attached. I was hoping you could have a look at it and let me know
what you think. I was particularly interested in the pay, which as a newly
qualified teacher would be 35000 Baht a month. As you have already advised I
should be aiming for at least 40000 Baht per month I am now wondering if this is
really achievable if IH are only offering 35000. After reading the information
I've decided that IH is probably not the school for me anyway, primarily because
they teach mainly teenagers and although I would be prepared to do this I would
prefer to teach adults. Your comments on the matter would be very helpful.
1st
November 2007
Hi Julia. Make no mistake - saying goodbye to family and friends is going to
be tough, especially if you come from a close-knit family as I do. I can
remember the weeks leading up to my departure and thinking that cometh the day I
would hold it together OK. Actually hugging and saying goodbye to my Mom and Dad
was not that difficult. I'd grown too old to still be living at home and felt
that it was time they had a bit of free space. It was saying goodbye to my
brother that really killed me. Normally the epitome of cool, he broke down and
wept as my taxi to the airport arrived. I drove to the airport with a lump in my
throat the size of a Moroccan orange. Fortunately in the years I've been away
we've managed to get together many times as a family. I'll go and see them all
in Spain or the UK or they'll come over here (Mom and Dad have been here seven
times now). It's a shrinking world these days. Keep consoling yourself with the
fact that the reunions are only an air-ticket away.
Friends are a different kettle of fish
entirely. You'll probably have some sort of 'going away party' in a local pub /
restaurant and you'll kiss them all goodbye and promise to keep in touch. I did
exactly that. A couple of years later and you've forgotten most of their names.
It's the natural cycle of life I always feel. I never forget a good friend
taking me to one side and saying "keep in touch Phil if you want. We'd love to
hear how you're getting on. But don't for one minute feel you have to. We're all
now part of your past". His words struck me as a tad heartless at the time but
I've learned he was absolutely right. Friends become nothing more than very
happy memories. Memories you'll always treasure. You'll return to the UK for a
holiday, meet up with them, and realize that you and they have all moved on. The
cycle of life.
Enough of this maudlin tittle-tattle! I had a
good look over the attachment that IH sent you. I must confess that I have never
been to IH's new premises on Silom Road but Danny the school owner is a very
good friend and I regularly popped in to see him when the school was on Rama 4
Road. He runs a very tight ship and he knows what he expects from a teacher. The
Rama 4 office was always a very vibrant and dynamic place to be but it was
obvious that teaching kids classes was the main source of revenue. Perhaps for
that reason alone you and IH might not be the best match, although in the
attachment it does say that the teaching of teenagers and corporate business
people is on the increase there.
It's always the paragraphs on 'working hours'
and 'remuneration' that I tend to scrutinize more carefully than others. I like
the idea of working a five-day week (which IH offers). You really do NEED to
have two days off. A single solitary day off just doesn't cut it for me. This
may be a plus or minus point for you but I notice that working on Saturdays and
Sundays is compulsory. They could be long days too. 8.00am is a
relatively early start and a possible 6.00pm or 6.30pm is quite a late finish.
If you plan to go out on a Saturday night then you might find yourself going
straight from work unless you live a stone's throw from the office. I used to
hate doing that - sitting around in a pub in the same clothes I'd been teaching
in all day (minus the necktie). Call me old fashioned but I like to go home,
take a shower, put on some fresh threads and slap on a bit of the old smelly.
Then I'm ready to hit the streets and burn the midnight oil.
Some teachers love the idea of working weekends
though and having their time off during the week. For me the weekend is for
restaurants, shopping and leg waxes. What works for you I don't know.
The rest of the 'working hours' paragraph looks
great. You've got a 25-hour workload that certainly wouldn't kill you and
there's time for workshops and teacher meetings. Lots of teachers hate meetings
and I can sympathize with that if it's in a room full of people speaking in Thai
and only listening to the foreign staff so they know when it's their turn to
speak. Danny wouldn't let that happen. Meetings conducted in English and in an
environment where the farang teachers can air their views and improve life at
the school can only be a good thing. There's nothing worse than working at a
school where you don't have a say.
The pay scale at IH has been very well worked
out and while it's true you would be going in at 35,000 a month, you could
fairly quickly (at an educated guess) be earning over 40,000. It's not a bad
start. But let's not mess about and let's analyze how far 35,000 baht a month
would take you. Firstly, it would probably be closer to 33,000 after tax has
been deducted.
Michelle has already got your digs sorted out
at 8,000 baht a month. Let's call that 10,000 baht a month with the cost of your
water and electricity added on. That leaves you with 23,000 baht a month in your
pocket. I like to analyze things on a daily basis, so that works out to (Phil
grabs calculator) 766 baht a day factored on a month being an average of 30
days. It's not a fortune for Bangkok it must be said, but don't fall into the
trap of thinking of 766 baht a day as "bloody hell that's barely eleven quid!"
Your money can go a long way here.
On a day when you're working, your costs might
just be a bit of breakfast, a light lunch, and then an evening meal. You could
do that for about 200 baht all in but you could spend a lot more of course. Then
you've got the cost of getting to and from work. Live frugally on a working day
and you could be pocketing 500 of your 766 baht. Living frugally is something
that's never really appealed to me though.
Your two days off are when you are obviously
more likely to 'burn' money - simply because you've got time on your hands and
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. If you've saved 400-500 baht on your
five working days, then you've accumulated about 3,600 baht for your 'weekends'.
It's enough to go out and have a few treats but I'm not going to kid you here. I
wouldn't like to survive on 33,000 in Bangkok and have to pay a 10,000 baht rent
out of it. I'm doing my very best to make these figures workable but anyone that
says you can live well on 35,000 baht a month in Bangkok just hasn't got a grip
on it. I've long maintained that you need 40,000 baht a month as a minimum to
get by in the capital and massaging these figures has only confirmed that.
You've already told me that you have student
loans to pay off and deep down we both know that you probably need to be aiming
at something between 40-50,000 baht a month. And those jobs are out there. With
all the shenanigans going on with the arrests of foreign pedophiles, there's
never been a better time for a young, bright native-speaking woman to look for a
teaching job in Thailand.
1st
November 2007
I absolutely agree with you on the figures. I've been trying to live on about
35,000 a month lately as I'm trying to save some money, but it's been tough and
it's about to change. To have any kind of life here, you really need 40-45,000
and 50,000 for me is the magic number. Anything less than that, and life is a
bit dull.
Plus for Julia, being young and female, she'll have the pick of the jobs. 35,000
is actually pretty poor, especially for somebody with a CELTA. I wouldn't take
it, but that's just me :-)
When I started here, my first job was 48,000 a month and I didn't have the CELTA
only the TEFL. Plus, the other thing with the language schools is they require
weekend work which I won't do. When you work weekends, especially both weekend
days, there are so many things you can't do (Chatuchak, fun late nights out
anyone??? :-) and you also find all your mates are off doing fun stuff while
you're stuck in a language school with a bunch of screaming kids. 70,000 a month
wouldn't be enough for me to want to do that! Julia, it might take some pavement
pounding when you get here, but I don't know a woman here who is making less
than 45,000 and most of them are making a heck of a lot more. Looking forward to
meeting you :-) And Phil, good job on the numbers!
3rd
November 2007
I
think Michelle's made some excellent points here and the more I
think about it, the more I'm leaning towards 50,000 baht a month as the 'magic
figure'. Don't expect to be earning that kind of money the day after you land
but I feel that 50,000 is a realistic target to be aiming for after say, six
months of being here in Bangkok.
Two things I didn't figure into my numbers above were laundry / dry-cleaning
(which could run you another 500-1000 baht a month) and supermarket shopping. If
you've got a fridge in your apartment then obviously you'll want to fill it with
some nice foodstuffs. That said, there's a rather blurry line between expenses
for supermarket shopping and the 200 baht a day I quoted for meals. There may be
times when you can forego the evening meal in a restaurant (usually the most
expensive meal of the day) and rustle up a tuna sandwich and salad at home. With
the cost of things like tuna, bread and salad being relatively cheap in
Thailand, you can save money on your evening meal simply by eating at home.
Therefore the cost of supermarket shopping is not so much of an issue.
I like Michelle's point about weekends being a
time when your friends are all off doing fun stuff and you're stuck in a
classroom. I never thought of that (probably because I don't have that many
friends) but if you're a social animal then I can see how that could be a real
inegative. It's swings and roundabouts though. If you have weekends off and work
from Monday to Fridays, then it can be tough to do things like get to the bank,
or go to the embassy, or visit the service center because you've got a problem
with your microwave.
10th
November 2007
Well it's just over two weeks to go now ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I am absolutely
bricking it to put it mildly, but in a good way ! I have been out for Thai meal
tonight with a couple of the guys from the CELTA, one of whom lived in Thailand
for quite some time and can speak fluent Thai so I have been learning some new
words. Which is a good thing as up until today I only knew 'hello' and 'help!'
Think I better get some more practice in before I leave. He is an avid reader of
ajarn.com and has been for some years, in fact it was he who made the invaluable
suggestion to log on, so hello Jonathan and thank you for all your help/advice !
Being the control freak that I am I have composed a long list of things I need
to take with me and I am going shopping tomorrow to get some essentials. If
there is one thing you would suggest I bring with me what would it be ?
Not much else to update you on other than I am scared/excited/nervous/cannot
wait... I have had enough of this cold weather already ! Oh and I have decided
to take out health insurance with Bupa Thailand when I arrive. I have been in
touch with them via email and they were very helpful. Their plan seems a pretty
good option to me and good value for money, so I'll be signing up with them when
I arrive.
10th
November 2007
Hi Julia.
I got the following e-mail from Jim Clarke regards sending money home to the
UK.
Hi there Julia, We (my wife & I) have been living in Thailand for 7 years. I am
from the UK & she is from NZ.
We send money to NZ every month & this is how we do it.
We use the Bangkok Bank. Open a savings account & get an ATM card. Then get a
"Be First" card from them.... this is a debit card which can be used to make
purchases in shops as well as drawing cash from ATM machines.
The next step is to mail the ATM card to someone in the UK (your mum, or someone
else trustworthy) keeping the "Be First" card for your own use in Thailand of
course. When you know the card has safely arrived, you can phone or email the
pin number to them. Now you have someone in the UK who can draw cash from your
account using any ATM.
All that remains is for you to regularly contact the person telling them when
(and how much) to withdraw from your Thai account. You can leave details of your
UK bank account before you leave for Thailand so that they know where to deposit
it for you. We have investigated all kinds of ways of sending money, and this is
the cheapest by far that we have found. The charge is about 180 Baht for each
transaction, (around two pounds fifty, and presumably you would only be doing it
once a month so the cost is fairly negligible) and the results are INSTANT!
Good Luck, Jim Clarke ( director, "Hello English")
Sounds like a good idea Julia. Where there's a
will, there is always a way. As for this week's questions, I really don't know
what to suggest you bring to Thailand that you can't already get here. On my
trips back to the UK, I used to stock up on DVDs from WH Smiths, but nowadays
you can download most things from the internet so I don't bother with that
anymore. These days, I load up on those wonderful Colman's cooking sauces, which
you can't get here. Really that's about it.
You're very wise to sort out some sort of health insurance when you get here. I
was with BUPA for a number of years and found them to be OK (I didn't make many
claims though and I never had the out-patient coverage)
Obviously it's a very good idea to pick up some
basic Thai language skills, although you can get around Bangkok pretty well
using only English. The areas I would focus on first are ordering in a
restaurant and talking to taxi drivers. It's useful to have a repertoire of
about ten dishes that you know how to order, so you can grab a quick 'chicken
and rice' or 'duck and noodles' while you're on the move. Taxi-driver vocabulary
is essential because so few of them speak any English at all. Learn how to tell
drivers where your apartment is and learn how to pronounce soi names and main
roads correctly. You'll pick it up fairly quickly.
13th
November 2007
Thanks Phil and thanks to Jim Clarke for his genius idea, I will definitely
put it into practice. I have been thinking about Christmas and New Year and the
fact I won't be at home with my friends and family and what I will do instead.
How much of a big deal is the holiday season in Thailand ? Is it safe to assume
I will have a few days off over Christmas/ New Year ? I have been thinking about
using the time to visit the Lower Southern Gulf, probably Ko Samui and then Ko
Pha-Ngan for New Year as I want to sample the delights of the New Year 'full
moon' party. I have been reading up on the subject and I'm anxious that unless I
book a place to stay now everywhere will be full by the time I get a job ! I
have found a couple of nice enough looking beach bungalows that have an online
booking facility and I'm really tempted to book up but on the other hand what if
I book up and then don't have any time off work to go ?! I know I am probably
getting way too far ahead of myself here but it's going to be my first Christmas
without my family and friends and I want to make it special. What do you think,
book now or wait until I have a job sorted out ?
13th
November 2007
Hi Julia. Yes you're right; Christmas is fast approaching. It's always a
time of year when I feel homesick as I think back to the wonderful Christmases
we enjoyed as a family back in the UK. Unfortunately Christmas is something you
'give up' when you come to live in Thailand. Gone are the presents around the
tree, the snowball for Auntie Joan on Boxing Day and the double edition of the
Radio Times. Most expats (including me) will try and keep up some of the festive
traditions but there's something awfully strange about putting up a Christmas
tree when it's 90 degrees outside. I'm sure you can appreciate that.
Thais don't celebrate Christmas from a religious angle of course but they do
enjoy the commercial aspect of it. They like to give cards and gifts or do
something nice for their family and friends; however, this has more to do with
the New Year than Christmas itself. December 25th is just another working day
for the Thais unless it falls on a weekend.
Whether or not you'll be working on Christmas Day depends on what kind of
teaching you're doing. If you're at a Thai school or a college then it'll be
business as usual, but you'll sometimes find that private language schools will
bow to teacher pressure and close their doors over the festive period.
Everyone gets time off at New Year. Some will
get one day and others might get a bit more. Again it depends on the policy of
your employer. Be warned though - it's one of the worst times of year for
travel. Everyone wants to head for the beach or go on a day trip. I've only been
away twice at New Year. Once I went down the beach resort of Hua Hin and spent
hours trying to find somewhere to stay (you couldn't book ahead on the internet
in those days) and several years ago, my Mom and dad came to Thailand for
Christmas and New Year and we all traveled up to Chiang Mai. There was such a
shortage of rooms that they opened up the local hospital to serve as temporary
accommodation. We went to a place called Krisda Doi, which is famous for its
beautiful gardens and flowers, and you couldn't see the flower-beds for people.
You spent more time trying to keep out of people's photographs than you did
admiring the winter blooms. I learned my lesson as regards New Year travel. I
stay at home.
13th
November 2007
Hey Julia - Phil is correct about travelling at Christmas, it's pretty
dismal. I did go up to Chiang Mai one year with a friend and we had a fabulous
time, but we had to book at least a month before just to get a room in a nice
hotel. And forget New Year - worst time of the year to travel - horrendous
traffic, a lot of accidents, and everywhere you go is packed full of Thai
families and screaming kids.
The best time of year to stay IN Bangkok is Christmas and New Years. There are
still plenty of people here to make it fun, the city gets quiet traffic-wise so
you can get everywhere really quickly, due to no traffic the pollution is less,
and there's a lot going on. All the malls and shops have Christmas music
playing, there's Christmas decorations everywhere and beer gardens open up all
over Bangkok, which are great places to go and listen to crap Thai live music
and get a bit blotto. Also, I'll probably be going for Christmas Dinner with a
couple of friends and you're more than welcome to come with us. You'll find that
a lot of the farangs will just hook up together and go have a nice dinner and a
few beers at one of the British pubs.
I know you'll be wanting to go down south and see the beaches but Christmas
isn't the best time. The weather isn't always as good, and it's often more
expensive and totally packed. Plus, like Phil said, unless you're working in a
school with kids, you're not likely to get much time off for Christmas and even
then, you may not. One of my close friends here works at a private school and
she gets 2 hours off on Christmas Day afternoon. That's it. The language schools
are often as bad, so if you get anything off at all it won't likely be any
longer than Christmas Day.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but don't worry. You'll only have been here for a
month and Bangkok will still be all shiny and new. There's boatloads of stuff to
do here, you'll never get bored and we'll figure out something for Christmas so
you're not all on your lonesome :-)
14th
November 2007
Hey guys thanks for the advice ! Michelle - thank you so much for inviting
me for Christmas Dinner ! Although I'm not really into Christmas that much I
would hate to spend it alone !! I know you will probably think I am mad, but
I've had my heart set on spending New Year at Ko Pha-Ngan so I have gone ahead
and booked a flight to Ko Samui anyway, a bit impulsive I know. I checked
Bangkok Airlines and realised that there was only one possible flight left due
to the rest being fully booked ! I have also pre- booked a beach bungalow for a
couple of nights as I don't fancy sleeping on the beach ! I just figured I may
as well go for it, and if it turns out to be a big mistake, well, I'll know for
next time.
Today I received my full detailed report from CELTA and I was really chuffed
with it, it'll make for a good reference, and it helped to ease my insecurities
about my teaching abilities, which are starting to creep back in. I also
downloaded a learn Thai podcast last night, which is actually pretty good ! I
downloaded it from
http://www.learn-thai-podcast.com/ and thought it may be useful for other
visitors to ajarn.com, I'm going to download the next episode tonight.
I have been getting butterflies at work all day knowing that in exactly two
weeks time I'll be on my way, I feel pretty relaxed about the whole thing at the
moment, in fact I feel pretty damned good about it all, I think it's because I'm
confident that this is the best decision I have ever made in my life ! I love
telling people when they ask me why I'm leaving work that I'm going to teach
English in Thailand, I feel like I'm actually doing something with my life ! See
you in two weeks !!!
23rd
November 2007
Hey there ! Well I could try and explain to you how excited I am but I don't
think I can put it into words ! Last day in the office tomorrow, next week
Bangkok ! Have got everything sorted just need to finish packing and get my
money changed. Emailed some schools, have had some encouraging responses asking
me to get in touch when I arrive. I had a mini nervous breakdown on Monday
freaking out about the whole thing but I pulled myself together and told myself
I'm doing an amazing and brave thing and if it all goes horribly wrong I can
just get on a plane home ! As I have a weekend full of leaving parties this will
probably be my last post until I arrive..... so I'll see you in Bangkok !!! From
a very excited Julia :)
23rd
November 2007
This will be an emotional few days Julia but at least you're confident that
you're doing the right thing - and that's all that matters. You're in good
shape. As we've mentioned before, you're arriving at a time when schools are
desperate for teachers and being young and female - your main problem is going
to be which job to take. Enjoy the parties at the weekend (don't drink too
much!), say your goodbyes to the office photocopier and that awful clock on the
far wall. And have a very safe flight over. I'll touch base with you when you've
arrived in Bangkok and we'll hopefully get Michelle out for a coffee. Take care.
30th
November 2007
Julia sent me a very brief e-mail on Wednesday to say that she'd arrived
safely but was suffering from severe sleep deprivation. On Thursday 29th
November I spoke to both Julia and Michelle on the telephone and they were
shopping in MBK. Julia was loving what she'd seen of Bangkok so far. She
definitely feels as though she's made the right decision coming here. However,
it's almost time for her to get down to the business end of things and start
looking for a job. She aims to start the application and interviewing process
today. I've arranged to meet with Julia and Michelle on Monday and get a
progress report. Stay tuned!
4th
December 2007
I met with Julia and Michelle yesterday for coffee. It was nice to see them
both, in fact I hadn't seen Michelle for almost four years! Despite us talking
for nigh on three hours, there's not really all that much to report on these
pages because Julia is still going through the acclimatization process and
admits that her body-clock is having real trouble switching to Thailand time.
She thoroughly adores Bangkok, she's fallen in love with her little apartment,
and made some good friends. Michelle- shop-a-holic that she is - has also done a
fine job of showing Julia around the city, with a few shopping mall side-trips
thrown in. From what Julia was saying, I think the weekend market is the only
popular place she hasn't done - but I'm sure that will all change this weekend.
Julia's learned of a few job openings mainly via the 'word-of-mouth' route, but
there's nothing yet that has really grabbed her. After I left her yesterday she
was planning on dropping her resume off at a few of the well-known private
language schools. There's no rush. Julia has been sensible and brought enough
cash to tide her over for a couple of months while she looks for work. She's
decided to pick up a few hours here and there and at least get some cash coming
in. And she's already had the promise of a weekend TOEIC / TOEFL class at a
school literally a couple of blocks from her apartment. I'll let Julia update
you over the next few days.
4th
December 2007
Hey, well here is the update. Managed to get a whole nights sleep last night
so I'm feeling much better jet lag wise. After we left you yesterday we went to
Inlingua ( not sure if that is the correct spelling) and the staff were really
helpful and keen to see my CV. The manager wasn't in but they asked if I could
call back tomorrow ( today) to have a chat with him. I then received a phone
call from the agent at my friend Mandy's school, which is at the end of my Soi
to ask if I would attend an interview tomorrow ( again, today). I then popped
into Wall Street, where the staff were very nice and polite and they asked me to
send my CV via email. So far so good, but this was to change. We popped into the
British Council on our way back home and straight away I decided that I wouldn't
work there if it was the last job in Bangkok. They had two security guys on the
door who treated me like I was some kind of criminal and stared at me through
the pane of glass the entire time I was there. The girl behind the desk wasn't
very helpful and asked me to check their website for vacancies.
So today I had my interview at the school near my soi and it went really well,
they offered me the job, and despite your advice not to take the first job I was
offered I did anyway. I just feel that it is too good of an opportunity to give
up, for the following reasons.
1. The location - literally a five minute walk away from my apartment, and as
you know I have fell in love my apartment and don't want to relocate. This also
means that I will not waste a huge amount of time sitting in traffic jams trying
to get to and from work. I will also have no outgoings in terms of
transportation.
2. The money - the pay is actually pretty good. It's 37,000 for 15 hours
teaching a week. In addition to this I get an extra 5000 Baht for teaching an
extra class each day. So that is 42,000 for 20 hours teaching time. After my
first month's probationary period I receive and additional 5000 Baht for living
costs, so in total I will be earning 48,000 Baht a month, which I think is quite
good going after only 6 days in Bangkok in December. It also means that I won't
have to worry about paying next month's rent.
3. The staff, as I said my friend Mandy works there and we get along great. I
met the rest of the teachers on Friday night and they all seem like a good bunch
of people that I'll get along with.
Although I vowed never to work with kids, I will in fact be teaching twelve nine
year olds, but as it is such a small number I think I'll be able to cope ! So I
visited the school today and spent a couple hours there, meeting the kids,
looking at the lesson plans and work books, and sat in on a lesson, and to be
honest I think I'll really enjoy working there. My classroom is nice and the
school seems fine, if a little unorganised. So I start on Thursday!!! Yay !! So
I did get a job within 10 days for a decent amount of money, a good location and
really I didn't do that much job hunting to get it !
The manager from Inlingua rang me on my way back home and asked if I would like
to go for an interview. I told him that I had taken another job but he still
seemed keen to meet me and said that they could offer me additional work on
evenings and weekends, so that is always another option if I need to get some
more cash, but in the mean time I'm pleased that the pressure is off in terms of
getting a job and I can start to really enjoy Bangkok. I know it's only been a
week, and there is still time for home sickness to kick in, but I never want to
leave !!
Oh and on the work permit front, the agent will sort out all the paperwork for
me and will pay half of the costs so she is going to start the process
immediately. Anyway better go now as I have lesson planning to do !
4th
December 2007
Hey! Way to go kid. You've not been here seven days and you've landed a
potential 48,000 baht a month job for just twenty contact hours a week, and
you've got Inlingua knocking on your door to offer you extra work. Do a little
bit for them and you could be pushing 60,000 baht plus. You're almost in the
Siam Paragon preferred shopper category on that sort of income :)
Seriously though - you've done well. I got a few e-mails from long-term ex-pats
telling me that I was giving you false hope by promising you'd make over 40,000
in your first job- but you've slam dunked that mother. Where there's a will,
there's always a way. OK only time will tell if it's your dream job but you're
certainly off to a flying start. Time to get your head down and get some
experience under your belt.
As you say, the location is great too. You can't put a price on working
somewhere that's a stone's throw from where you live. It's not so much about
saving money on transportation, but saving the most precious commodity of all -
time. You won't be finishing work and wondering whether it's going to take you
half an hour or two hours to get home. You know exactly what time you'll be
putting the key in your apartment door. Magic. Good luck with the lesson
preparation and keep us up-to-date with how those difficult first few days go.
11th
December 2007
Sorry I haven't mailed you sooner, I have been struck down with some kind of
chest/ear/nose/throat infection and as a result have been bedridden for the past
two days ! I am feeling a bit better now after getting lots of drugs from boots,
I blame the pollution, and cigarettes, so I have decided to quit smoking, and
haven't had a smoke since Friday night...the pictures of the packets are enough
to put anyone off !
Anyway my first two days went better than i could have imagined. I was really
nervous on my first day but by the end of the day I was buzzing. My kids are
great they are G4 and a small class of 12 students. I teach them Maths, Science,
P.E, Health and of course English. I surprised myself by how easily I took to
teaching a class of nine year olds and it wasn't half as scary as I thought it
was going to be. The school itself has good resources and is a nice place to
work, I think I am going to really enjoy it there, and I feel like I have
settled in straight away. I am spending quite a bit of time each night preparing
lessons but I think in time this will decrease as I become more familiar with
the curriculum. So to sum up, apart from my ill health everything is going great
and I'm looking forward to tomorrow's lessons !
5th
January 2008
Hey Phil, I've been aware that I haven't updated you for a while so I
thought I'd drop you a line. Well things couldn't be going any better for me
here. I'm loving my job, I've made some nice friends, I'm still loving Bangkok
and after a week in Koh Pha-Ngan I have decided I want to stay in Thailand for
as long as possible. I had a truly awesome week and to think it's only a 45
minute flight away! It used to take me 45 minutes to get to work on a bus back
home in cold grey England! I have grown really attached to my class and I have
surprised myself by enjoying teaching young children so much, but I think the
kids here are a lot different to kids back in England. Here they are so
respectful to their teachers and just really nice to each other... back home
they are stabbing each other and stuff, or worse! I am planning on staying in
that position for the next few months at least, it's just too good a job to give
up and it's great for getting some experience under my belt.
I think a defining moment for me was my return to Bangkok from Ko Pha- Ngan,
after a 20 hour journey which included 12 hours on a bus I felt like I was back
home. It was a nice feeling.. and I was fricken freezing !!!!!!! Either I have
finally acclimatised or the weather has got a lot cooler since I left.
Anyhoodles that is about it for now, loving my new life and I can't thank you
enough for all your advice and for introducing me to Michelle, who as I have
said before has been a great help in the settling in process and now a good
friend.
5th
January 2008
Hi Julia. I'm glad to see you're going from strength to strength. I bet
you're wondering what all that worrying was about in your weeks leading up to
leaving the UK :) ........but that's human nature I guess. When Bangkok starts
to feel like home then you can safely say that you've settled in. I get the same
feeling when I go back to England. It's always great to see your family and a
few old haunts, but I feel like a stranger there now. When I get back to
Bangkok, it feels like home. Of course I've been here a little longer than you
have.
You mentioned cold, grey England. I've got my folks coming to visit me next week
for a whole month and when I spoke to my dad on the phone yesterday, he said he
couldn't wait to get over here for some sun......and he lives in Spain. The
daytime is OK he said but first thing in the morning and once darkness falls, it
goes bitterly cold. I bet Newcastle is even worse right now with that chill wind
whipping in off the North Sea. Anyway, don't be a stranger - keep us posted on
any major changes and good luck with your teaching.
6th
March 2008
Sorry for the delay in reply, time just seems to fly by here, I'm so busy
all the time, especially as it is coming to the end of the semester at school. I
have been having a great time at school, I think I'll be quite upset when the
kids leave tomorrow( last day) as I have grown really attached to my class. The
past three moths have totally changed my opinion of working with kids, although
any more than twelve in a class and I'd probably change my mind !
So next week I'm off on my holidays. I'm going down to the Islands again, this
time to Krabi, then Samui, then back to Ko Pahngan. In April I am teaching
Summer School, which I am really looking forward to as I get to play games and
cook with the kids so it should be a lot of fun. I'm pretty sure I'm going to
stay in this job next semester, as I really like it here. The only downside is
the holidays ( or lack of them). We only get two weeks in April and two weeks in
October, which, having spoken to other teachers, is not very much compared to
other schools.
I'm also going to start looking for some part time work in April, preferably
teaching adults. I'm trained to teach adults and I really don't want everything
I learned on the CELTA to go to waste, so hopefully I can get my first real
experience of teaching adults under my belt. As for everything else non work
related, life couldn't be better ! I love my life in Bangkok and at the moment I
never want to leave ! Bye for now, I'll send you an update in April when
(hopefully) I will have started some part time work sorted out.
18th
May 2008
Hey Phil, just a quick update on my new life in Bangkok. Well, last week I
decided to look for some part time work to supplement my full time salary and
also to add to my CV. I activated my resume on ajarn.com and applied for three
posts from the website. Within 48 hours I had been offered two jobs and asked to
attend two interviews. The first of which was at an international school on
Saturday. The school is amazing, so huge and modern. After an interview I was
offered the job on the spot, at 800 baht and hour I accepted immediately. So I
will be teaching 7 and 8 year olds every Saturday. I had hoped to acquire some
experience in teaching adults to add to my CV, but the opportunity to work in
and International School, although on a part time basis was too good an
opportunity to give up. I start next Saturday so I will let you know how it
goes. Needless to say I am chuffed to bits to get the job, initially I will
teach a three hour morning session with the hope that enough students will sign
up for an afternoon session in the near future. This will amount to almost an
additional 20,000 baht a month, which is amazing for one extra days work a week,
and to have this experience on my CV is another big bonus.
My full time position is still going well. Summer school was fun and a lot more
relaxed than term teaching. The kids return to school on Tuesday for the new
term and I'm really looking forward to seeing them as I've missed them a bit. I
was considering returning to England in September as my best friend is having a
baby and I really want to be there for that, but now I'm not so sure as I feel
like I have too much to give up here now, so I'm just going to play it by ear
and see what happens. Anyway, I'm off for a snooze now as I've just got back
from a visa run that started at four this morning and I am falling asleep as I
type this.
18th
May 2008
Hi Julia. Good to hear from you. It's been a while. Firstly congratulations
on landing a very lucrative part-time job. An extra 20,000 baht a month for
working your Saturdays! Can't be bad. I'm sure you're managing to survive very
nicely on the 48,000 baht a month you earn from your full-time gig but 20,000
baht extra every month could make a hell of a difference to your lifestyle. It's
240,000 baht a year. That 240K can take care of an annual trip to the UK and
perhaps a nice 4-5 day break in Asia, plus it means you can afford a few more
luxuries for your apartment. A total income of 68,000 (ish) baht a month is
certainly not to be sniffed at.
One good reason to take a trip back to the UK is to remind yourself why you live
here. Ok it'll be nice to see your friends and a few of your old Newcastle
haunts but you'll soon remember why you decided to leave home in the first
place. If you've got the spare dosh, I would go if I were you. I'm sure your
friends would love to see you - and Bangkok will still be here when you get
back.
2nd
July 2008
Hey Phil, Sorry again for the delay in reply. So in order to obtain a
teacher's licence I have to attend a three day Thai culture course, for which I
will receive a certificate which is necessary to get a Teacher's licence.
Luckily my school have sorted this out for me and I will be attending the course
at the end of this month, it costs 6000 baht, which they are paying for, so I'm
really happy about that.
The Saturday job is going well, and the three hours fly by. The kids themselves
are a little different from the students in the English programme that i teach
full time. The International School students aren't as well behaved and it's a
lot harder to keep their attention for longer than two minutes, but all
experience is good experience and I am looking forward to the extra pay check at
the end of the month. Anyway better get back to work now
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