Every new arrival wants to know if they can survive or live well in Thailand on X thousand baht a month?
It's a difficult question because each person has different needs. However, the following surveys and figures are from teachers actually working here! How much do they earn and what do they spend their money on?. And after each case study, I've added comments of my own.
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Kuma
Working in Japan
Monthly Earnings 220,000 Baht (all in)
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
I teach in a university and earn about 180,000 for my classes. I also do testing on the side (Cambridge Assessment, IELTS etc.) which accounts for the rest.
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
These days, I would say in the 50,000 baht range.
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
My wife and I rent a house in the 'burbs for 30,000 baht. It's a nice quiet place with a little garden, elderly neighbors, an oasis from the city. I don't mind the drive to work at all!
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
My car is paid up but other things are expensive here. Car tax and mandatory insurance etc. is about 5,000 a month. I also spend about 5,000 on gas and another 5,000 on highway tolls.
Utility bills
See above re expensive! Electricity about 4,000 baht, gas the same, water about 1,000, communications (cell phone plans, home wifi) about 7,000.
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
Supermarket bills come to about 40,000 baht for the two of us. We don't do a lot of restaurants but we do takeout once or twice a week, so add about 5,000 for that. I usually eat out for lunch too so another 5,000 for lunches.
Nightlife and drinking
At my age? No thanks. I can hear my coworkers whine and moan at work for free; why would I spend money to hear them do it at night? I probably spend about 5,000 baht for wine and beer to enjoy at home.
Books, computers
My Kindle is my friend so less than a thousand here. I included the cell phone and internet hookup costs above.
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living in one sentence?
We live well, don't have to worry about money at all (no kids at home anymore), and can travel when we want (my schedule has 4 months free time built in) - or could until the 'Rona'.
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
In Japan? You gotta be kidding.
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
In my opinion, a couple with no kids needs at least 100,000 baht a month to live well. A single person with no obligations could get by on 70,000 if they watch their wallet.
Phil's analysis and comment
Back in the early 90's (when I started teaching in Thailand) Japan was always the promised land, the land of milk and honey, the country you moved to if you were a serious teacher who wanted to make some serious dough. Countries like China and Vietnam (which are now seen as more lucrative alternatives to Thailand) rarely got a mention. But over the years, Japan's popularity as a TEFL destination seems to have diminished considerably.
It's always had that reputation as an expensive place to live and there are some big numbers in Kuma's survey. North of 40,000 baht a month for rent and utilities. 15,000 baht a month to run a car. 40,000 baht for supermarket bills for a couple, ouch!
Still, 220,000 is a decent salary and you do well to save about 25% of it.
Patrizio
Working in Hong Kong
Monthly Earnings 275,000 baht
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
My full-time salary is 200,000 baht, which is a huge step up from what I used to make in a small international school in Bangkok. I also have a 75K housing allowance.
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
I save about 120K every month. My wife has a steady income stream of 50K a month and saves all of that. Most of my end-of-year bonus, which is 375K, I save as well.
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
Hong Kong is very expensive to rent. My wife and I rent a small two-bedroom apartment close to the school. I technically don't pay for this at all, because the cost (60K) fits well into my housing allowance (75K)
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
Hong Kong has fantastic public transportation (and infrastructure), which is a big thing after coming from Bangkok. I think we spend about 3,500 bath a month on this
Utility bills
My internet, phone, electricity, and water all add up to about 10K, which I pay with the leftovers from my housing allowance
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
Restaurants can be very expensive. My wife and I are absolute foodies, though she now cooks 6 days a week. We spend about 20K a month on groceries. We go out to restaurants once a week and we spend about 30K on this.
Nightlife and drinking
I used to go out quite a lot when I lived in Bangkok, but now that I am married with a rapidly developing career, I find that I prefer staying in much more. I also limit myself to only drinking at home once a month. So I guess I might spend about 1-2K a month on this.
Books, computers
I own a very good computer which my job bought for me. I also have an Xbox, for which I probably pay about 500 baht a month. I am an avid reader but I download my books for free.
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living in one sentence?
I think my wife and I have an extraordinarily high standard of living. We do not have to really think about any expenses, but we are both very sensible with money and like to save. We can afford to do the things we like and still save more money yearly than most people back in Europe would earn in that same time-frame.
Hong Kong is such an amazing location to live, especially after being exposed to blatant Thai discrimination and racism towards foreigners. In Hong Kong, every person is what he or she brings to the table. We have access to completely free, top quality healthcare within a city state that has very sound infrastructure. On top of that, Hong Kong isn't nearly as expensive as some people think. It is certainly not that much more expensive than Bangkok.
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
Transportation is something I absolutely fell in love with. Being able to traverse the city in less than 30 minutes for bottom barrel costs is something you could only dream of in Bangkok.
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
That is a tough one to answer and it all depends on your priorities. If your employer pays for your housing, then you would live pretty well on 85K.
Phil's analysis and comment
Thanks Patrizio. It sounds like you have a wonderful lifestyle out there in Hong Kong, a wonderful place I've been lucky to visit at least seven or eight times. As you say, the public transportation system is second to none.
One thing that did shock me about your figures was dropping 30K a month on restaurants and you only dine out once a week. Those must be some pretty swanky joints you eat at!
Chantelle
Working in Ban Chang, Rayong
Monthly Earnings 71,500 baht
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
I get a 61,500 baht baseline salary and then around 10k baht for extra classes. (45 minutes x 4 days a week)
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
I save about 30,000 baht each month. This is after I have deducted my vacation costs and spending money.
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
I live in a studio apartment, overlooking the Gulf of Thailand, with a modern kitchenette (induction stove, small oven and washing machine). This costs 7,000 baht a month. We also have a 3-bedroom house that we rent out for 15K a month.
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
I rent a bike for 2,500 a month and fuel costs about 250 depending on how much I ride around. I avoid paying for private taxis by getting lifts from friends with cars.
Utility bills
Utility bills are usually under 1,000 baht a month but it has been higher during the summer months due to increased use of the air-conditioning.
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
Groceries are around 1,000 baht per week and I enjoy ordering from restaurants. I would say I spend around 600 baht a week on restaurants take-aways. I have to confess that I enjoy chocolate so a big portion of my spending is on that. I also get a free lunch at school so I do not have to cook much. I also prefer Western food that you can buy at Tops or our local Expat shop.
Nightlife and drinking
My town doesn't have a nightlife scene and I don't drink so no money there.
Books, computers
I download pdf books so no expense there and I use my old laptop.
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living in one sentence?
I think I live very comfortably. I take vacations when Covid allows it during holidays and I could easily afford a car and a bigger flat if I wanted to.
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
There are quite a few things that are more expensive than back home but I would say your day-to-day living costs are the real bargain if you don't spend money on luxury items like a car.
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
I don't hold back on spending my money and I get by with around 25k to 30k a month. This covers my living expenses and my shopping, travelling and restaurant meals.
Phil's analysis and comment
In what sounds like a very peaceful town, 71,000 baht must feel like a small fortune so no surprise you are able to live as well as you do. You've got a nice passive income of 15,000 baht from the house rental too. By my reckoning, you're saving around half a milllion baht a year so I bet you've built up a good safety net.
Steve
Working in Nakhon Ratchisima (Khorat)
Monthly Earnings 30,000
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
I work for a medium-sized Thai school and my full-time salary is 30,000. I used to make another 5,000 - 10,000 baht a month working a couple of nights a week at a private language school but due to the Co-vid situation, there hasn't been any work there for months! I was pretty low down the pecking order so I tended to get the evening scraps and the students nobody else wanted. However, so many students cancelled their courses, there isn't enough work to go around.
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
Very little. I might stash away 5,000 in a good month but that's quite rare.
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
I've moved in with my Thai girlfriend to try and cut down on the expenses. I was living in a nice studio apartment and paying around 6,000 a month plus bills but that's down to 3,000 now I've moved in with her. It's not an ideal situation though; two people living in a tiny studio apartment can get ridiculous, especially as I'm a big guy anyway. Plus I hate living 'the Thai way' - cooking food on a tiny balcony, showering with cold water, etc.
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
I have a small motorcycle, which you really need to have to get around Khorat. We live in the city centre and my school is about five kilometres away. Public transportation isn't really an option. I suppose gas costs a few hundred baht a month.
Utility bills
No more than a few hundred baht a month for electricity and water. We do have air-con but don't switch it on much. My girlfriend says the air-con gives her a cold so whenever I'm home during the hot season, I strip down to my boxer shorts and tough it out.
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
Being a person of ample proportions, I do like my grub! I spend easily 10,000 baht a month on meals out and supermarket shopping for the two of us although most of our eating is done at moderately priced Thai restaurants. Khorat has plenty of opportunities for a Western food splurge but they're generally too expensive for me. I can't afford to drop 700-1,000 baht on a meal for two.
Nightlife and drinking
Gave that stuff up several years ago. It's a shame really because Khorat is a terrific night-time city with plenty going on. Oh to be a single fella again because I sometimes overhear other male teachers discussing going out on the Friday night lash and do feel as if I'm missing out.
Books, computers
Naaah. Nothing to see here. Even my smartphone is about four years old. Hopefully it won't conk out before I get to the end of this survey.
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living in one sentence?
Khorat is a cheaper city to live in than Bangkok of course but only just. It's got all the opportunities to spend money that the capital has, so 30,000 baht a month isn't really enough. That extra 10,000 baht I used to make from teaching in the evenings made all the difference.
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
Running a motorcycle is cheap (both for gas and repairs) and eating out at those moderately priced Thai restaurants (hole-in-the-wall places) only comes to a couple of hundred baht for two people.
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
I suppose at a push I could live on 20-25K if I were a single fella but that would be just an existence. I dream of making 50-60K a month; that would be nice! It would allow me to go home and see my family because I haven't been home for several years.
Phil's analysis and comment
Thank you Steve for another brutally honest cost of living survey. It's important to get a balance in these surveys and the teachers 'surviving' on 30,000 are just as essential to hear from as the international school teachers raking in the big bucks. As far as your survey goes, Steve, I've said it many times before - that extra 10,000 baht can make all the difference! Hopefully the Co-vid situation will improve in the not-too-distant future and you can get back to doing some evening work. Hang on in there!
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James
Working in Shanghai
Monthly Earnings 182,500 (including a housing allowance)
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
My full-time salary is 140,200 baht and I get a housing allowance of 42,700.
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
I usually send 80,000 baht out of China every month.
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
The housing allowance covers the rent, so I pay zero. Rent in Shanghai is comparable to places like London and New York. I wouldn't take a job here without the school/company providing housing. I live in a modern ground floor 3-bedroom apartment in a beautiful compound full of trees.
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
The school bus takes me to and from work. The subway never costs more than 5 RMB (23 baht) a trip. It's cheaper than the BTS!
Utility bills
Electric 200 RMB (950 baht)
Gas 200 RMB (950 baht)
Water 100 RMB (475 baht)
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
We live on 10,000 RMB (47,500 baht) a month in China. That covers all shopping, restaurants and other purchases.
Nightlife and drinking
Taobao provides all the craft beer I require. There is a huge selection of great beer and depending on what you buy, it is cheaper than buying the same stuff in places like Tops Supermarket.
A Brewdog opened here recently! We also have Stone brewery and other local craft breweries.
About 1000 - 1500 RMB goes on this, but it if we do visit one of these places it comes out of the 10,000 rmb we live on here.
Books, computers
I have a Kindle so got all my books for free, but more recently have got back into hard copy books. Once again Taobao is the place to go, never more than 200 - 300 RMB a month.
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living in one sentence?
Middle-class
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
Taxis, online shopping events (11/11 is a huge sales day), craft beer, subway, little import mom and pop shops where you can find gems like Cadburys chocolate, Walkers crisps, etc. and the biggest of all NO IMPORT TAX! Bottles of Ribena don't cost £7!
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
I know people here on 20,000 RMB (94,000 baht) and they get by and perhaps save some, but I would say you need to hit the 27-30,000 rmb a month mark with a housing allowance to save for your future here.
Phil's analysis and comment
Thank you James. Always good to hear from teachers in China and by your references to Thailand, I'm guessing you worked here for a while as well. That sure is a tasty housing allowance by the way.
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